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Old 11th Jan 2002, 15:56
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can anybody out there give me some info as to where i can do a CRM course (and how much it would be)?????
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If I remember rightly Guildhall do a CRM course.

Not sure on the cost though, sorry.

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Try contacting Mike Green at Fast Helicopters Thruxton.

Spoke to him this morning and he is due to run an Internal course very soon and was looking for Bums on seats. Not sure of all the details but wouldn't hurt to ask.

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Try ACA on 01428 727207; they may be offering a course somewhere with an extra place.
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I believe that you can do a course at any outfit that is CAA Approved for CRM. However, it makes a lot more sense to do one that is directed towards helicopters, if you can.

CRM originally arose in connection with multi-crew operations, and ways of improving the way they work together. Most non-offshore RW pilots are single crew, of course, so the multi-crew style CRM is less relevant. I did try to seek out guidance and information about "single crew CRM" a while ago for continuation training, but drew a blank with the CAA and others. The only thing I did find was a US seminar pack produced jointly by the FAA/HAI, but I could not get hold of a copy.

If anyone knows of a CRM course for single crew ops that deals with helicopters, it would be good to know of it.
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thx guys
yes it does seem a bit odd doing a CRM for single pilot ops ?
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Helinut:- I believe Bristows do one but it's quite expensive.
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CRM for schizophrenics LOL.
 
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I have just recently attended a course which was set up by a Police ASU. The unit was the Central Counties Air Operations Unit in Birmingham. This was done by a guy called Craig Guis, (probably spelt wrong), who is an ex military US army helopilot.The course was superb and very interesting. Worth giving the CCAOU a call. Can't help with the number at the moment as I'm at home and the details are at work.
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Jonah; it is indeed an excellent course, but I don't think it's CAA accredited - though it's better than many that are. It's Geis btw.
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Gas_producer,
You can contact Craig by e-mail and ask when he's on this side of the pond next. [email protected]
I was also on the CCAU sponsored course and it is well worth attending.
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The CCAOU style course comes highly recommended - I haven't done it but lots of police pilots and observers who have say it is excellent. I believe that it is rather directed towards police aviation (which is effectively multi-crew), and may well not have the CAA stamp of approval. Since an Approved course is a pre-requsite for UK public transport this is a shame.
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Cockpit Resource Management
Author(s): Thomas Turner
ISBN: 0070656053
Format: Softcover, 34 illus. , 224 pages.
Pub date: May 1, 1998
Copyright: 1998
Price: $34.95 US
Product Line: McGraw-Hill Professional
Related Titles by Category:
• Transportation -- Aviation / General


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DESCRIPTION
With this invaluable handbook, private pilots can optimize their flying performance -- by using the same life-saving CRM skills and techniques that have helped airline and military pilots dramatically improve safety.

BACK COVER
Professional CRM techniques customized for single-pilot operations! Cockpit Resource Management: The Private Pilot's Guide is the first manual to transfer lifesaving CRM techniques to the private pilot/single operator environment, showing you how to: handle distractions; recognize and circumvent potential emergency situations; reduce cockpit workload; be aware of hazardous attitudes; sharpen your judgment; improve decision-making skills; increase situational awareness. The key says Turner, is toset realistic goals for each flight, and to prioritize these goals to maximize safety. Step by step, Turner demonstrates how, through a clear and logical presentation of CRM skills and techniques, from preflight to landing. Case studies provide vivid examples of CRM in action. This fully updated second edition includes the latest safety regulations and accident studies, recent and pending changes in regulations, and a greatly expanded teaching chapter.

CONTENTS


Introduction.
Why Cockpit Management.
Goals of the Flight.
The Decision Making Process.
Factors Affecting Decision Making.
Phase of Flight: Takeoff.
Phase of Flight: Climb and Cruise.
Phase of Flight: Descent, Approach and Landing.
Risk Factors. High-Risk Situations.
The Safety Equation.
Situational Awareness and the Judgment Chain.
Teaching Cockpit Management. Related Products


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Controlling Pilot Error

Log onto the internet with the key words Cockpit Resources Management. There are quit a few resources available.

Try this website as it lays out the course.

<a href="http://ns1.house.com.ar/users/hf_crm/transcan1.html#crm1" target="_blank">http://ns1.house.com.ar/users/hf_crm/transcan1.html#crm1</a>

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To all you rotary guys not employed in an Offshore company, you may be surprised to know that CRM for helicopter pilots, both single and multi-crew, is available to you individually or for your companies.
I instruct CRM for a JAA/CAA/FAA approved CRM training organisation. We run CRM courses for Helicopter pilots and companies. For information please email me at:
[email protected]
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I need to do an accredited CRM course, to be able to take up paid freelance work on S/E helicopters here in the UK.

I've found an old thread - http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=19188 - and ASA and the "aviationteamwork" web site are actually the same people.

Mike Green isn't doing any in the near future, it appears Bristow's don't do CRM courses any more - the web site says they only do JAR IR courses - and I've mailed the CAA asking for a list of accredited course providers, but I'm not holding my breath.

Does anyone out there know of such a provider ? My requirement is reasonably urgent as I want to get the boxes ticked as soon as possible so I can start telling my missus I'm actuallt getting paid to fly, rather than the other way round !
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Try CSE @ Oxford (if that's what the're still called). Went to a 1 day course down there a couple of years ago which was actually rather good. Don't have a number though I'm afraid..
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Also dredged up from the past are two in the Surrey area:

John Barker @ Hitec Resources - Fairoaks 01276 6855056
London Helicopters @ redhill were also talking about doing courses specifically for Helo pilots single crew
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Hmmmmmm..crew resource management training - for single pilot ops.....are you going to start arguing with yourself in the cockpit or undermining your own authority with snide comments. I suppose you can always sort out any cross cockpit gradient issues in the debrief.
But do you trust your crew? are they loyal to you or are they subverting your power as Captain. Ah... the loneliness of command.

Maybe Gollum does single pilot CRM courses.............
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Mike Green said the same thing on Sunday when I asked him about where and when to do the courses.

Unfortunately for us newcomers this is something we have to do to tick the box - you old-timers have all the answers anyway

And Helinut - the number you've got ain't right, and I can't find a "Hitec Resources" anywhere near Fairoaks or Chobham - do you perchance have the right number or other contact details.

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Old 21st May 2003, 21:30
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I'm not sure why you think there is no reference to crm on their web site; it's under Human Factors training.

the following takes you straight to crm:

http://www.bristowtraining.com/human-crm.htm

Good luck with your searching.
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