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It is of course hugely sad for both the flying community and the families of the deceased. If there are lessone we need to learn from any of these accidents lets make sure we learn them. If there arent then we have to move on.

Evrtytime this happens we are called to stop speculation and wait for evidence based analysis. This must be right.

So just lay off the argument that we should 'bin the old and build the new'. The age of the aircraft involved might or might not be a contributory factor. If it isnt then binning the old would be a foolish thing to do. More expensive flying means less flying, which means less experience in the PPL population - I am strugglint with how that is going to improve safety.

IMC1

UV

I wasonly trying to get a clearer understanding of what happened. Thanks for your helpful comment...NOT!

Flash0710

IMC. The guy has a good point unless you were there with the exact details.... Speculation gets us no where.

Love Peace and Respect to All.....

f.

IMC1

Flash

I wasn’t looking to judge or speculate. I am based at EGHH and I just wanted to understand some basic facts beyond the BBC report. I know the AAIB will get their Comprehensive report out in the fullness of time.

IMC

Flash0710

Cheers IMC.

As we see here there is always a dramatic angle to any form of journalistic report so it should be a given that us people with a little knowledge can give it the pinch of salt it deserves.

Hopefully as ever when the report is published we can learn from it too.....

Please all of you fly safe

f

Inverted81

I believe the YAK 52 may have been a compton Abbas based a/c. Not confirmed.

Flybywyre

Who was the pilot ?

mercuray

Local News: "Official hand over to AAIB last night.A/C to Farnborough.2 Pilots have not been named".

Flybywyre

Fair enough ................

Jetscream 32

The pilot was very experienced in twins / commercial - how well aerobatting, how well on the Y52 i dont know! - he was a well known person on the airfield due to his "other job" - a great shame!

not the first and certanly not the last - altho we can but hope!!

englishal

UV, I know you are sensitive about these things, but some of us would like to try and understand as early as possible what went wrong, in an effort to stop it happening to us.

For the record, I fly from EGHH occasionally, I also know people who fly Yaks in the area, so would like to know as much as possible.

mercuray

I dont want to turn this sad incident into anything other than just that,but I will say that I entirely agree with You both. I got my ear bent a couple of years back for asking a similar question.I understand exactly what the intent of your question is,and in my opinion You are not attempting prejuidicy,or going into AAIB territory.Some times this "PC" becomes counter productive,in my humble opinion.IF there were to be anything that could be known that would only add to future safety,then surely the sooner the better? (Obviously that precludes wild speculation!).

pulse1

As it is now in the local paper, the aircraft was a Compton Abbas Yak and was being flown by Kevin Crossley. Any other details in the paper could be media speculation. My condolences to all.

Inverted81

My thoughts are with the family at this very sad time.

newbie008

condolences to all involved. Im fairly new to flying so not sure what a yak looks like. Is it an old looking thing, like the ones they put people on the wings? I saw one over my house on saturday going upside etc.. and I live nr compton abbas. This was about midday, but im not sure what time the incident occurred in b'mouth.

microlight AV8R

Newbie,

No, the YAK52 isn't a biplane. It is a radial engined low wing monoplane with a tandem seated cockpit. Looks a bit like a stretched Harvard if you're familiar with such exotica.

PAXboy

On a different crash, but not wanting to start another thread (in case I have missed one that is running): I was speaking to friends in Rayleigh, just near Southend-on-Sea today, who spoke of a light a/c going in about ten days or two weeks ago. Crashed into a local park. Pilot was on his second solo flight and rather young.

Has anyone heard anything?

DaveW

PAXboy, BBC report here. The corresponding PPRuNe thread is here.

This, the Yak at Bournemouth and a Slingsby Firefly in Suffolk were three fatal accidents within a very short space of time that were witnessed by friends and family of the occupants. Very sad indeed.

neilcharlton

If you think aviation has had a run of fatal accidents you should try scuba diving : http://www.divernet.com/index.shtml
every time i log onto that site theres always new deaths ..very sad..

All most all diving accidents are down to human error , i hear of very few equipment failures.

Goes to show the value of good training in both flying and diving. It took me 2 years to qualify as a competent diver. Pool training then freezing my balls off in the north sea doing drills. However i'm rated the same as my mate who took an accelerated 3 day course in the tropical waters of the red sea ! ... go figure !

englishal

I heard the story of the Yak from one of our group, who is also in the Yak group....

Be careful out there, most of these types of accidents are related to Human Performance and Factors, and ARE avoidable......