Access to Mil AIP ?
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Access to Mil AIP ?
Does anyone know if it is possible to access the online version of the MIL AIP from the Internet? I need some approach plates for a nearby Military Airbase (The secret one in Shropshire).
Unfortunately not - and the UK AIP doesn't have any military bases in it any more.
One can access the German Mil AIP on-line, so why not the UK Mil AIP?
Is it classified? I think not.
Perhaps it's so that AIDU can sell it to you?
One can access the German Mil AIP on-line, so why not the UK Mil AIP?
Is it classified? I think not.
Perhaps it's so that AIDU can sell it to you?
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The UK Mil AIP is indeed classified, or protectively marked in the modern jargon, because the UK Low Flying Handbook is incorporated in it. It is issued in CD-ROM form and, as BEAgle says, does not contain approach plates.
Also AIDU would not put approach plates online nor fax them to a customer because of the ink. Yes, truely. According to the then boss the coloured inks on the TAPs and formulated to be NVG readable. The red ink from you PC World special would not have been approved and the facsimilie might omit some colours altogether.
Also AIDU would not put approach plates online nor fax them to a customer because of the ink. Yes, truely. According to the then boss the coloured inks on the TAPs and formulated to be NVG readable. The red ink from you PC World special would not have been approved and the facsimilie might omit some colours altogether.
So why not just put out a version without the oh-so-secret UK LFH and mark it "Not compatible with NVG operations"!
All people actually need is the equivalent information as provided in the UK AIP. In fact, why not include UK military aerodromes in the UK AIP as available on line?
All people actually need is the equivalent information as provided in the UK AIP. In fact, why not include UK military aerodromes in the UK AIP as available on line?
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B*gg*r BEagle, fact logic and reason strikes again.
Oh I forgot, FLR was abolished in the 70s as an economy measure.
I think the reason for not issuing 'day-only' TAPs was the lost of documentary control. Course he never really accepted that the FJ community, certainly the AD guys, only filled up their TAP pocket on the OCU and in the event of a standards check. Carrying, using or updating TAPs was a waste of time. In an emergency they would follow radar vectors or their mate.
Oh I forgot, FLR was abolished in the 70s as an economy measure.
I think the reason for not issuing 'day-only' TAPs was the lost of documentary control. Course he never really accepted that the FJ community, certainly the AD guys, only filled up their TAP pocket on the OCU and in the event of a standards check. Carrying, using or updating TAPs was a waste of time. In an emergency they would follow radar vectors or their mate.
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Chevvron, if Aerad print TAPs for the RAF, what is that new shed (new in 1995) doing at Northolt or has it been contractorised?
I think you'll find the shed at WU is for the whole of No 1 AIDU (where's No2 then?)
AERAD have been under contract to print MOD TAP's for about 5 years now; the RAF made a big thing about it when it started; since then AERAD have changed hands several times - Raytheon - Thales - and now European Aeronautical Group (Euronautical), but as far as I know they still do it. I have at my unit for instance, a set for a certain RAF airfield dated 19 Jan 06 with the words 'No 1 AIDU (RAF)/European Aeronautical Group Aerad' in the margin.
AERAD have been under contract to print MOD TAP's for about 5 years now; the RAF made a big thing about it when it started; since then AERAD have changed hands several times - Raytheon - Thales - and now European Aeronautical Group (Euronautical), but as far as I know they still do it. I have at my unit for instance, a set for a certain RAF airfield dated 19 Jan 06 with the words 'No 1 AIDU (RAF)/European Aeronautical Group Aerad' in the margin.
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Chevvron, thanks for that, as I suspected I am a little out of date in that area. Historically however . . .
No 2 AIDU was established at HQ FEAF and like 361 Sqn were all part of our Empire. Given the long lines of communication to the Far East and the publication cycles it was probably deemed better to have a local aeronautical bureau.
With the Healey withdrawal from the Far East, 361 was never formed and No 2 AIDU was disbanded. That would have been at the end of the 60s or maybe as late as 73.
Why AIDU stuck to the Number 1 when the ANS reformed to embrace both the basic nav (2 ANS) and advanced (1 ANS) I do not know.
No 2 AIDU was established at HQ FEAF and like 361 Sqn were all part of our Empire. Given the long lines of communication to the Far East and the publication cycles it was probably deemed better to have a local aeronautical bureau.
With the Healey withdrawal from the Far East, 361 was never formed and No 2 AIDU was disbanded. That would have been at the end of the 60s or maybe as late as 73.
Why AIDU stuck to the Number 1 when the ANS reformed to embrace both the basic nav (2 ANS) and advanced (1 ANS) I do not know.
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You might find what you want here https://164.214.2.62/products/digitalaero/index.cfm
its an american site but covers the entire world with various enroute sups, sids, charts etc
its an american site but covers the entire world with various enroute sups, sids, charts etc
MOD Airfields Too Bl@@dy Expensive!
Not just classified for UKLFS but also for the HIRTA info (High Intensity Radio Transmission Area for those that don't know).
What Limit, why don't you contact Shawbury - if you're going to do instrument approaches there I'm sure the SATCO would only be too pleased to fax you some plates - after all he/she wouldn't want to you follow out of date procedures and crash
By the way, under Bliar's "Wider Market Initiative" you will be charged a ridiculous sum for instrument approaches at an MOD airfield - my advice? Go to Liverpool, Coventry or Wolverhampton!
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What Limit, why don't you contact Shawbury - if you're going to do instrument approaches there I'm sure the SATCO would only be too pleased to fax you some plates - after all he/she wouldn't want to you follow out of date procedures and crash
By the way, under Bliar's "Wider Market Initiative" you will be charged a ridiculous sum for instrument approaches at an MOD airfield - my advice? Go to Liverpool, Coventry or Wolverhampton!
Regards
LJ
Originally Posted by Leon Jabachjabicz
Not just classified for UKLFS but also for the HIRTA info (High Intensity Radio Transmission Area for those that don't know).
LJ
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HIRTAs are type specific. True the hazard source and a standard avoid will be on the charts but the avoid will differ if you are flying a Cessna or an electric jet and electrically initiated explosive release units on under wing stores or your electric jet has sensitive computers.
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.....Or it never got properly EMI/EMC tested so you couldn't have everything switched on at the same time in case it didn't work....Who needs A-A Tacan anyway hey???
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Leon said:
And don't even think about popping into the feeder for a spot of lunch ... £8.55 for a sandwich!
STH
you will be charged a ridiculous sum for instrument approaches at an MOD airfield
STH
