Most Part-FCL licences are issued to meet compliance with ICAO standards so are not a problem as this will already be included in the legal framework of most countries worldwide. It's only those licences which are sub-ICAO (LAPL) which need to be ratified in each individual state. This issue is being dealt with behind the scenes. The CAA were made aware of this at an early stage of the EASA consultation process.

Presently, you can receive training and testing towards the issue, renewal and revalidation of an EASA licence or rating in a non-EASA aircraft. The UK ANO (Article 52, 53, 56) provides the legal basis for this, and for flying non-EASA aircraft with an EASA Part-FCL licence (Article 50A).

ifitaint..

The problem is that certain Member States are not convinced that they may use their own secondary legislation, subordinate to EU law, to extend (as they see it) the privileges of Part-FCL licences....

Whereas the majority view is that, if there isn't a law to say that you may not do something, then you may do it; the Aircrew Regulation does not state that Part-FCL licences may not be used to fly Annex II aircraft, therefore they may be so used.

I'm just about to finish a guys aerobatic training for the AOPA basic cert. I read earlier in this post what if he includes a letter from me with his initial licence application (CPL in this case). He can get the rating added. Could someone please advise what should be included in this letter as I've not done this before?

Download CAP 804: Flight Crew Licensing: Mandatory Requirements, Policy and Guidance | Publications | About the CAA if you haven't already. Have a look at Section 4, part P, pages 32/33 (pages 514/515 of the pdf) and it lists all the ways you can get the rating included on conversion. You don't actually need the AOPA certificate, just 5 hours and a statement by an aeros FI. No guidance about the statement but paraphrasing what is in the CAP should do I imagine.

Taff, I will email you a copy of the letter I did for this.

Has anyone cut up the licence into parts to fit in the pockets of licence?
I was about to but then seen a notice that you can't ! So now I have a wedge in the front pocket and nothing in the rest. Daft !

Email sent Taff

Pipertommy, solution - photocopy it (good quality colour) then cut that up and fit in pockets. Screw up the original into a ball and keep in an old condom in the bottom of your flight bag - all in one piece mind you.
Wait for someone to give a toss, let them get really worked up, then toss the condom over :E.
Or maybe not........

pmsl ! Very good. What a pointless exercise this is. Far prefer my old style wallet, at least I could fit things into it.

Just had EASA license issued with Aerobatic rating. All the permutations are in CAP 804, download and use your computer to search for the info. I got it on the strength of my BAeA competition results twelve years ago.

Can you find a legal reference for that? I can't!

Another example of the UK CAA over doing things. The licence is actually designed to go into a small clear plastic pouch that will fit in your wallet. The rest of Europe that are issuing Part FCL licences are using this system. Mine has my medical and licence in it.

The only legal requirements for the format of the licence are at Appendix 1 to Part-ARA. According to this, provided that items I to XI are contained on a single sheet, the remainder may be on "separate or detachable parts of the main form". Due to the design of the UK's version of the licence form, however, this is not always possible to do. Of course, since the CAA always knows best, I suppose that we must conclude that those nasty foreigners don't know what they're talking about.

EASA licence on NON EASA aircraft
 

CAP 804 section 1 Part C page 2 pdf page 36 paragraph 1.5 says you can fly a non EASA aircraft with an EASA licence, including home bul.

AIUI, I cannot train people for the Aerobatics Rating, because I currently only work at an RTF, not an ATO. I can continue to train for the AOPA certificate though, which is one of the ways the rating can be included in an EASA licence upon conversion. There does not seem to be any problem with this, providing the certificate is awarded before they convert to an EASA licence.

My question is, if I train a newly minted EASA PPL for the AOPA certificate, will the CAA give him the rating on the strength of it, or (as I suspect) does this flexibility only apply to conversions from CAA or JAR PPLs?

The CAP 804 conversion terms only refer to 'Aerobatic Privileges exercised on a UK National/JAR-FCL licence'. The implication being that, with a Part-FCL licence, you're stuck with Part-FCL Aerobatic Rating requirements - including the ludicrous nonsense of having to become an ATO and for the applicant to have flown 40 hrs PIC since PPL issue before applying for the Aerobatic Rating....:uhoh:

However, the Aerobatic Rating is only mandatory for aerobatics conducted on EASA aeroplanes after Apr 2015. If you were to teach the AOPA course using a Chipmunk or Bulldog, for example, then your newly-minted Part-FCL holder wouldn't need 40 hrs PIC, you wouldn't need to be an ATO and he/she could continue to fly aerobatics on suitable non-EASA aeroplanes using nothing more than a Part-FCL PPL(A). But if he/she then wanted to fly aerobatics on that aeronautical oxymoron, the Cessna 'Aerobat' :rolleyes:, he/she would need an Aerobatic Rating....

That's as I see it - but check with FCLweb before committing yourself.

Thanks Beagle - just as I thought. I was hoping the daft 40 hour thing would get changed, but no such luck.

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