Just one point about FTE Jerez, before anyone gets their hopes up too much, you MUST have an IR which they do not have the time to put you through themselves and the starting pay is about £ 20 K (GBP).

Apart from that, it sounds quite interesting, both in terms of experience gained and location.

it's not FTE Jerez - it's BM aviation, so no I/R required

Yes, I saw that Irv, hence the reason I edited my post to add 'FTE' to avoid confusion.

Any chance you could PM me with a contact at BM, please. Thanks.

Did U mean..IRI (Instrument Rating Instructor)...? Pretty usless to have a FI ticket (CPL though) with no IR...:E

Still so stiff on minimum experience (1000TT, 500 dual given) and ratings (IRI, MEIR...)?

Criminal records...I have some, mainly unpaid speeding and parking tickets. Would those count...? :E

PZ :ok:

Instructing in the North East.
 

Hey. Anyone know what the turnover is like for instructors in NCL/MME and other schools in the area? I am really hoping to have my CPL/IR/FIC in the coming months and would love to instruct close to home - and save on renting a place as I can live at home :-)

Also going to do my CPL/FIC (I think!) with a school I would quite like to work for. So hopefully that might put me in a good position. I see some of them have adverts for instructors right now, but nothing much said about the specific requirements.

Also, I am mindful that I would have missed 'the season' by time I qualify - do many places actually take FIs on during the Winter months?

Cheers.

Try Cabair.

VFE.

Mr Geezer - agree totally with the contents of your first post. I hope this much talked about shortage really does exist - that way more instructors might get paid a fair wage for a fair day's work - that isn't too much to ask is it? The added benefit of improved wages is that you might retain more career instructors giving the obvious benefit of a greater pool of experience which will improve the quality of instruction - everyone wins!! I instructed for about 3 yrs and it's bloody hard work even when you're experienced and up to speed. I really hope that terms and conditions improve for you guys.

Well if you have all checked out the most recent edition of Flight Training News then you will see there was a whole page of adverts for instructor vacancies across the UK. So yes the instructor shortage does appear to be real.

with regards to the FTN shortage feature. RF's/FTO's were offered free adverts for this feature & as you can imagine, most took them up on it! May have clouded the clarity of the real situation. As with the airlines, it appears to be a shortage of experienced people, rather than those fresh out of training.

I think that is always true really. If the advertisers in FTN didn't need FI's though, they wouldn't have put in a free advert either, so it probably is a fair representation of the market.

For the next Month Stapleford Flight Centre are offering guaranteed jobs to graduates from their FIC obviously subject to interview prior to commencing course & a reasonable standard shown during training but it will take the risk away for a few guys or gals:

I couldnt see anything about that on the SFC site, can you give me a source for that info?

ring FIC CFI Keith Pogmore who will confirm it 01708-688380

Coventry
 

Is it true that a flying school in coventry is offering big pay for new FI's, i also heard some places in Scotland are offering up to £25k a year for new FI's?

Has anyone tried Sabena Flight Academy in Belgium? Well paid and FI training is sponsored + you get the chance to upgrade to instrument and multi-engine instructor, which is also paid by them.

Are we talking about a commercial school at Coventry, since I cant imagine the other three PPL schools have the cash?

Almat at Coventry are after (or recently have been) after new instructors. How much Glynn pays I don't know.

Almat at EGBE are charging £98.98 dual and £79.00 solo on a rather old C150's, so if Glynn is generous enough to pay the instructor the difference between dual and solo, for instructional flights, thats £19.98/ hour.

So based on an average of 3 hours flying a day thats £59.94 a day or based on an 8 hour day is £7.49, dont forget you will be self employed, so after tax, national insurance, medicals, insurance, security pass, parking, renewals, travel, your guaranteed to fall below the minimun wage!

This is the reason why some schools are unable to find instructors!

I have to say I know fall into the category of someone who limits his instructing because of the pay.

If I'm only going to be earning £20/hr and the school only has 3-4 students, then why should I take time away from earning enough to pay my mortgage?

Schools really do need to get into the modern age and get to grips with all the dodgy practices that go on. The hooky "self employment" when you are nothing like it, not having proper company insurances, not providing any training or career development for their staff etc. etc.

It's nice to see however that there are some schools starting to come out of the dark ages with decent retainers and hourly rates or even god forbid salaries!

I only now go in when someone calls me and tells me there is going to be X amount of flying. My days of hanging around schools waiting for the phone to ring or just getting a couple of hours in are long gone and I suspect the same for many of us.

It will make a difference, but since most flying school owners are business incompetents of the highest order it will take a while for this to sink in!

I think the days of 'self employment' for Flying Instructors are coming to and end, as I understand it HM Customs and Excise are starting to crack down in this area. This will require a major rethink on costings for training flying schools.