student to tower: "tower this is Cessna 152 Golf Hotel India Juliet, I am out of fuel"
tower (slight stress in controllers voice): "GHIJ state your position and altitude"
student: "Tower this is GHIJ I am over here in front of the flying club can you call a fuel truck over?"

student to ground: "ground this is Cessna 152 Golf Hotel India Juliet, I am on the ramp and ready to taxi for the active runway"
ground controller: "GIMJ the active runway is 07, taxi via taxiways Whiskey and Echo, contact the tower controller on 119.6 holding short, the ATIS information is Mike, do you have Mike"
student: "ground this is IMJ, sorry.... but today I am flying with Grahame"

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Instructor: "What effect does headwind have on range?"
Student: "It depends what direction it is coming from"

Iron, I hope you changed Schools!!

Roundeye, I flew with the same student...He told me that the stalling speed of an A/C is REDUCED in a headwind http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif

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Hugh, why should I change schools.....? Obviiously I am missing something......

An apocryphal but true (cos I know the stude involved) story from RAF flying training.

Said stude had some ability, but not much agression - a quality needed in a fighter pilot (aparrently!). Stude was given to a new creamy (a creamy is a pilot who is made an instructor straight from flying training) so that he could be made to fly his Jet provost more aggressivly.

Creamy gives stude control of the aircraft at 180 knots with the instruction that he is to attempt to overstress knowing however hard stude pulls he is not going to exceed the 6g limit.

No problem thinks stude and immediately lowers the gear 35 knots over the limiting speed!

Moral: Make your handover brief succint, but make sure the stude knows what you want him/her to do.

Retard throttle after T/O call practice :
Reponse NO promptly push throttle to climb power !!!

S/E approach with gear up - warning horn sounding, unsafe light flashing asked at 300' if landing is assured answer yes !
(no problems with S/E perfromance)

Practice (simulated) engine fire on start up - Dumb Look and answers What do you mean ?

Top of loop in 8KCAB a 350 hours student told "relax back pressure" - responds with attempted 5 g pull out. Recovered asked afterwards - is that back pressure with respect to me of the level plan !!!! (Recommended to complete operations of controls again)

T Vasis is only with respect to an airline otherwise the PILOT will cross the threshold higher than 50' (This seems a favourite)

MEL, with regards to T-Vasis, I was doing my CPL theory at SY Tafe back in the 80's. We had a fairly prominent, soon to be director of that ill-fated AAA Airlines teaching us NAV.

We moved onto the subject of T-Vasis, with our knowledgeable teacher explaining that this device was invented many years ago by a man named Trevor Vasis!(hence the name). I laughed so hard, my sides almost split! http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif

Funny, I now beleive he's a legal eagle....

Oops sorry I tread the hallowed turf of instructordom with trepidation....with a true story and a bit of a question. Whilst sitting in the back of a seneca watching my 'Gemini' buddy fly with our instructor. We had just finished a number of engine failure drills in all sorts of configurations and were now practising our S/E approaches and landings. Unfortunately having reached complete overload my mate forgot his landing checks and failed to lower the gear. As we turned final and got close to the runway, power was being reduced and of course the gear unsafe horn goes off. The horn continues for some time and at last the instructor says...we're a bit fast for a stall warner? Mate replies 'that is not the stall warner...that is the gear unsafe horn'. We continue...we are getting close to an expensive landing....'so what are you going to do about it' says instructor ....mate pauses and advances throttles above 15"MAP, sound goes away. As we get very close and very fast, he reduces power ...siren goes again...panic as realisation floods through and a late gear selection made. Mate insists it wasn't his fault as all through his training the gear unsafe horn is used as an indicator of a practice engine failure. He associated the horn with an engine failure....not with the gear not being down.....anyone else come across this?? Is it a problem??

Sure is DeeTee, thats why so many wheels ups are done. Trng Capt pulls appropriate CB to prevent annoying noise and subsequently forgets to reset it till hearing a nasty matallic scraping noise, and a terrible sinking feeling.

The benefit of simulators is that you can practice to your hearts content without having to 'ignore' warnings, or 'simulate' failurs by simply retarding a power lever/throttle/mixture control.

"Touch wood", I've only had one 'failure'. Up to experiencing it, all my multi training had been in the aircraft.

The engine indications in the failure I experienced were nothing like those I had seen during training. The mental confusion this caused was shortlived but extreme.

On aircraft training, as all training, has its limitations, which is why in other threads, the point has been made that experience counts.



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New effo, on a wide right base RWY11. Cleared "visual approach, right base RWY 11". Bloggs immediately turns RIGHT, puting us on a very nice RIGHT base, RWY 36.

Different new effo, cleared via a STAR which commenced at a VOR then a turn. Pass over VOR, no sign of turn. Effo says "shall I turn now?"

Not that I've EVER done anything silly in an aircraft!! http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/wink.gif

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Cross-country Navex.Inside Lakenheath/Mildenhall USAF/RAF MATZ.
US Controller:G-EU say altitude.

Student: altitude!

US Controler:G-EU Turn heading 210 and clear my MATZ.

OK, I've already posted this one on the Bad Enlish (sic) thread, but here it is again:
A year or so ago, a student here at Vero Beach called for rejoin, without specifying whether for full stop or circuits (a local requirement).
Tower: "Seminole xx, what are your intentions?"
Seminole: "I stay FlightSafety one more year, then go fly China Airlines!"

I was teaching students for a Korean airline a few years ago. Unfortunately, their command of the English language was a little less than what was really needed. Nevertheless, being conscientious, we would often take it upon ourselves to 'teach' these guys some of our colloquialisms.

I had to fly with another instructor's student on one occasion, and his name was 'Hong'.

I met him in my office for briefing one morning, and we exchanged pleasantries (as usual).

I asked "are you well, Hong?"
He replies, with a devious grin "Like a donkey, sir!" http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif http://pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/biggrin.gif