moggie, sounds like they fed you a line! Maybe they were badly trained, but it is impossible that they only had 2 procedural approaches between eight of them, and if you dont believe that, call Cabair and the examiners, and if you don't believe them, the ATC strips will show any IFR approaches made. SIDS can be a problem due to London clearances and the choice must be made go or cancel, but the Cranfield SID isn't exactly 'phone a friend' if you look at it!

johntrav69.

do you work at Cranfield, CAA, BA or Latcc? If not, I have to ask you why 8 BA students would all feel it neccessary to tell the same lie to an instructor who was about to take them through a 4 week course with a pass/fail test at the end?

They all told the same story (in fact it was repeated by later courses), and the standard of training they demonstrated at the start of the course backed this up.

I ask again, if Cabair were any good would BA have pulled out?

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve, just ask uncle Steve, he who reputably put the 'S' in Cabair.

With All the "Empire" building going on at Cabair, one wonders where they find the time to teach! The fact that Heathcote's
"blue-eyed" boy, gave him the finger, should
say loads!? In my opinion Cabair has great instructors, who are being prevented from
offering the best service arround due to the
hidden agenda's at Elstree. (Never mind the
petty issue's guys, just get those name tags straight and keep it blue...........)

Hidden agendas at Elstree?

Tell me more!

Yes I'd like to know more about these "hidden agendas at EGTR."
And the blue eyed boy- do you mean DH(the mad axeman who went on to write a book about Instrument flying and star in all their videos?)

Ahhh! Mr Doberman, I'd recognise that tone anywhere, As for the tripe being spread by that non pedigree pussy!! I would ask any instructor here that has taken on a disgruntled stude, to say that he/she has not saught to blame their previous instruction for their shortcomings. Moggy.....Wake up old chap Try to see a little further than those lovely silver stripes (oops Platinum of course!!)

As for Astbury/Hartley/Litten etc does anyone knowwhat became of them?

Ah DH, Cabair's Robert Redford (stroke Norman Bates). Let us not forget his classic role in BBC2s 'The Airshow.'

185 Ibs>>>>>>>>

Litten- he's still eating, smoking and smelling.

Hartley- there's a very vicious rumour going around that he will soon be up for command?

As for Astbury dont know.

I instructed for the mighty Cabair for 3 years, that was over 6 years ago.
I'm not surprised to hear nothing has changed .....

A great bunch of hard working loyal instructors run by two directors (Theafcoat and Greed) who have NO RESPECT AT ALL FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES ....

I meet many ex Cabair instructors in the airlines and not one has a good word to say about the management there.

Re. BA/CCAT they used to share a/c between Elstree and Cranfield (Elstree for busy weekends PPL training and Cranfield for weekday commercial training), this policy never worked in practice. It relied on Friday and Sunday evenings being good WX for ferry flights and people to fly them, usualy instructors unpaid or PPL's desperate for hours .....

DH (God bless him ! Where is he nowdays ?)did an excellent job at winning the BA contract, depite BA paying millions to Cabair they failed to invest at CCAT an still ran it on a shoe string ....

Typical Cabair doesnt realise people talk about them when they leave (instructors and students ...... word gets around ).

At the end of the day the instructors and quality of courses good, BUT the management stink !

DH- rumour has it that he now is involved in training at Bae Woodford??????????????

With all the superficial changes, much inhouse shuffling of paper and pay-cuts, its
obvious that something is up! I do not mean
DH, more resent, I'm talking about a CFI.
Tartley is flying Dash-8's.(I wonder if he has rolled one yet!) Litten is still at Cranfield, although rumour says.........
(Watch this space!)

Only ever met Heathgoat once and I hope I never have to do it again. He comes across as a complete T****r.
In 6 yrs of flying I have also never found anyone to defend Cabair as a training organisation....I am sure the instructors are brilliant but the punters get royally seen off.

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