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It cannot matter when instructing for the PPL whether you hold a CPL or not. The instructor without a CPL issued will have passed the same written examinations and have completed the same flight Instructor course followed by the same test of competency. The CPL flying course and test is for a different purpose.

The main benefit for me of the CPL is that they will have completed a flying course that offers a much more formalised navigation skill than the PPL. It has always been much clearer to me what I could expect from the CPL/FI for navigation training. Unfortunately the FI course allows for very little time to be given to navigation.

Does anyone know where the CAA list of annotations of privileges, that are entered into the instructors licence, can be found? I would expect to be able to identify the privileges of the FI at a glance.

They are the same letters that are used in FCL.905 FI.FI Privileges and conditions

Then as some CFIs have confirmed this makes it very difficult to be certain of the privileges of any PPL/Instructor that is employed. A CPL is not required to instruct for the PPL so the instructor certificate should unambiguously indicate whether they are restricted from teaching the PPL and show the restricted privileges that they do have.

The list of codes should also be published so that everyone can reference and understand them.

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Originally Posted by homeguard (Post 11474159)

They are. Google CAP 1854

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Originally Posted by markkal (Post 11472988)

I am an FI(A) with ppl and theoretical CPL; I am now retired and did my FI(A) with FCL 905 aerobatics estension 15 years ago
I was lucky enough to even remove the restriction during the Jar/EASA transition.

I have been flying for 45 years, having owned advanced aerobatic aircrafts and trained with french world class coaches at huge expense out of passion and desire to improve and learn, and boy have I been and am still studying,mostly aerodynamics and UPRT related subjects just because I love it..

Have done my FI(A) to keep busy during my retirement, teaching PPL, LAPL, UPRT even as a part time activity.

Not having a full ATPL or CPL ( My theoretical CPL expired after 3 years and at the time had no need to completethe flying part) I later realised there are no prospects for being hired, nowhere.
Experience does not seem to interest anybody.

As fly_webby states, there is definitely a role for ppl instructors, but where ? Very frustrating indeed.

I make a point of contacting clubs. Pilot magazine publish a list each year. Write to all the CFI’s, build a relationship. You’ve got the experience the CPL theory and flying credentials. Roles are advertised. Get proof of your CPL theory exams, apply, and keep applying. I’m hoping to do what you describe. It just takes time knocking on doors, people recruit people. Good luck

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They are. Google CAP 1854

rarelyathome: Unfortunately cap 1854 does not; restrictions and limitations are not included nor how the certificate should be annotated: which is the point..

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Originally Posted by fly_webbv2 (Post 11474582)

Thanks for your support, in the meantime i fly privately an XA42 I have with 2 other partners, so whatever happens I keep myself occupied every now and then :-)

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Originally Posted by homeguard (Post 11474159)

Is it that difficult to read said PPL instructors licence? An instructor without CPL theory has 'Lapl only' written on their Licence.

The List of codes is published in FCL 905.

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An instructor without CPL theory has 'Lapl only' written on their Licence.

They do now, but initially they did not and unless they have updated their licence it probably still doesn't!

Supply and demand I guess. When instructors are in short supply, Heads of Training will suddenly discover they CAN read a PPL licence and work out or verify the instructing privileges, after all!