Stall/Spin Training
Hi,
Where is the reference to the requirement for 2 hours of SSAT in the PPL course? |
AMC1 FCL.210.A PPL(A) – Experience requirements and crediting
FLIGHT INSTRUCTION FOR THE PPL(A) (xiv) Exercise 11: Spin avoidance: (A) safety checks; (B) stalling and recovery at the incipient spin stage (stall with excessive wing drop, about 45°); (C) instructor induced distractions during the stall. Note 1: at least two hours of stall awareness and spin avoidance flight training should be completed during the course. |
FYI Transport Canada has a Stall and Spin Avoidance guide if you are interested. Google TP 13747
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Out of interest: "at least two hours of stall awareness and spin avoidance flight training" seems to me that means undertaking that training for 2 hours rather than, for example, doing two flights of an hour each where such training was undertaken? If I do such a one hour flight from where I am based I would spend about 25 minutes max doing the stall/spin avoidance exercises.
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Originally Posted by David J Pilkington
(Post 11087847)
Out of interest: "at least two hours of stall awareness and spin avoidance flight training" seems to me that means undertaking that training for 2 hours rather than, for example, doing two flights of an hour each where such training was undertaken? If I do such a one hour flight from where I am based I would spend about 25 minutes max doing the stall/spin avoidance exercises.
Having carried out such instruction for a long time, albeit mainly prior to aerobatic training, the idea is to familiarise yourself with the physical/visual situation of any Unusual Position, to recognise it and to safely recover with minimum height loss. IMHO this requires as many hours practice as is needed to feel comfortable with your recoveries. There have been too many fatal accidents caused by spinning off the Finals turn, mishandling in poor visibility and just flicking off an over-enthusiastic steep turn at low level. It’s for your own good. |
Originally Posted by Sleeve Wing
(Post 11087965)
I think the thing to remember, DJP, is that this is not really a box-ticking exercise. ..... IMHO this requires as many hours practice as is needed to feel comfortable with your recoveries.
Originally Posted by Sleeve Wing
(Post 11087965)
Having carried out such instruction for a long time, albeit mainly prior to aerobatic training ......
CASA's sample training syllabus here has two 1 hr flights so I'm interested in the meaning of that note. |
After completing exercise 10 you’re probably not far off 2 hrs SSAT anyways, but it is far better to review some stall awareness/avoidance often during the course - just 10-15 minutes every 2 months or so. Keeps it all fresh in the students thoughts. Never have too much SSAT in your book.
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seems to me that means undertaking that training for 2 hours rather than, for example, doing two flights of an hour each where such training was undertaken? If I do such a one hour flight from where I am based I would spend about 25 minutes max doing the stall/spin avoidance exercises. |
Originally Posted by Fl1ingfrog
(Post 11088036)
There is no stipulation as to how many flights to accrue 2 hours and nor should there be ... The most noted phase for loss of control, resulting in a fatality, was during the climbing turn following the take-off, but this is ignored and rarely mentioned - take note.
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