Lapsed UK ATPL and UK PPL
I wondered to these question while regulation are in flux.
(a) If someone was issued with a UK PPL in the 1980's do they have to pay to 'upgrade to a EASA PPL, as the PPL was issued for life. I ask this as to change from a old style driving (non photo) there is no charge. (b) On the basis that someone holds an EASA PPL or UK PPL they can not fly aerobatics without a rating, unless having attended a AOPA aerobatics, why can someone not provide evidence of credible aerobatics training. (c) Someone has a UKATPL valid to 2009, so it has expired, how does this person renew aUK ATPL, can they do this with a LPC, do they need a valid IR and class one medical. (d) Under a UK or EASA PPL, CPL or ATPL does the licence holder have rights to IR(R) rights in the UK. (e) Can someone with a UK PPL or EASA obtain a clearance at the discretion of ATC. Thank you in advance |
I wondered to these question while regulation are in flux. (a) If someone was issued with a UK PPL in the 1980's do they have to pay to 'upgrade to a EASA PPL, as the PPL was issued for life. I ask this as to change from a old style driving (non photo) there is no charge. (b) On the basis that someone holds an EASA PPL or UK PPL they can not fly aerobatics without a rating, unless having attended a AOPA aerobatics, why can someone not provide evidence of credible aerobatics training. (c) Someone has a UKATPL valid to 2009, so it has expired, how does this person renew aUK ATPL, can they do this with a LPC, do they need a valid IR and class one medical. d) Under a UK or EASA PPL, CPL or ATPL does the licence holder have rights to IR(R) rights in the UK. (e) Can someone with a UK PPL or EASA obtain a clearance at the discretion of ATC. |
RTN11.... Thank you for taking the time to reply. When I said things are in flux, by that I mean the constant tinkering of regulations. by way of example someone can qualify and train on a UK aicraft in the 1980 for a UK PPL, yet under EASA rules the person as from April 2018 they can no longer flying the aircraft they trained on, they are simply confined to permit to fly. The simple solution was for the CAA to do a straight swap, without charge, but allow the person to retain their UK PPL. I say that because I inststed that I kept my UK PPL on gaining a CPL, the CAA were not happy about this.
Taking the issue of 'flux' over the last thirty years there have been numerous changes iby the Uk CAA in terms of flying training including MCC and CRM, alot which was not really thought out. To add to this after brexit will we revert to CAA licences. A case in point was that there was no exemption in respect of MCC for RAF crew as the CAA and JAA considered it single crew. The introduction of CRM was a utter shambles, gue to the FOIs. Going back to the UK ATPL, if it is valid for life, why does it have a valid to date, when it is re-issued, likewise the UK PPL is the same. Going on to converting the UK ATPL to an EASA ATPL, from memory the UK ATPL up to until around 2000, required 1500 hours PIC, but I think that the requirement of the UK ATPL became 1500 to include 500 multicrew. So under EASA can an UK ATPL be swapped for a EASA ATPL. The ATC issue, upon entering class a airspace, was previously raised on pprune (private flying), while I accept that ATC can not ask if you hold a IR, so you could get a clearance, I am not sure if they can give a discrestionary clearance in the knowledge they know you do not have an IR. |
A UK ATPL is valid for life. (c) Someone has a UKATPL valid to 2009, so it has expired, how does this person renew a UK ATPL, can they do this with a LPC, do they need a valid IR and class one medical. (b) On the basis that someone holds an EASA PPL or UK PPL they can not fly aerobatics without a rating, unless having attended a AOPA aerobatics, why can someone not provide evidence of credible aerobatics training. |
A UK ATPL is valid for life. It is if issued post EASA, but prior to that it was 10 years (formerly 5) |
Licence validity has seesawed over the years. In 1974 it was 5 years then by 1979 it was 10 years. The JAA wanted to make it annual but eventually they settled for 5 years and then EASA made it lifetime. UK PPLs were lifetime but that did cause them an administritave problem as nobody knew how long a lifetime was!
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