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chiplight2005 3rd Oct 2007 15:35

Female Flight Instructor
 
Would like to do my FI course with a female instructor. Does anyone know of any?

Thanks.

Chiplight

Omania335 3rd Oct 2007 16:12

Teaching A female is always better then teaching a male but remember....

when u teach a male u will be teaching one person ,, whn its comes to female u will be teaching a family

Good Luck finding One

bogbeagle 3rd Oct 2007 16:17

Dorothy Pooley at Shoreham.

Arfur Feck-Sake 3rd Oct 2007 16:33

Carol Cooper at Andrewsfield has a good reputation

bsfish2003 3rd Oct 2007 18:00

Two female( very good) instructors at Filton. One of those does instruction with Aeros.

maxdrypower 3rd Oct 2007 18:52

Depending where you are try Claire Hatton at MSF manchester

negativeROC 3rd Oct 2007 20:09

Carol Cooper - Andrewsfield. Simply the best.............

chiplight2005 3rd Oct 2007 21:41

Do either Carol Cooper or Dorothy Pooley also teach the Flight Instructor course?

TheOddOne 3rd Oct 2007 21:51

Female FIC instructor
 
Eva Paul at The Pilot Centre, Denham teaches Flight Instructors. Most excellent.

Phone 01895 833838

Cheers,
TheOddOne

Gipsy Queen 4th Oct 2007 02:13

I wonder why you should have a preference for a female instructor?

Back in my instructing days, I had a few women as pupils. Two or three were ineducable (as were several men I tried to teach), most of them were below average and failed along the way. Women on the ground tend to have their heads in the clouds - when they are in the clouds their minds tend to be earthbound! But I had a couple who were absolutely superlative. One, ironically, was killed in a car crash through no fault of her own. The other went on to get an ATPL.

In my experience, a good woman pilot is head and shoulders above all but the very best of her male counterparts. Don't often meet them but they are unmistakable when you do; usually quiet and unassuming but always thoroughly professional in what they do. Patty Wagstaff comes to mind.

If you find such an instructor, you will be a lucky man indeed for not only will you find the skill but perhaps a level of patience not always characteristic of the male FI.

Good luck.

GQ.

Stampe 4th Oct 2007 07:08

Carol Cooper at Andrewsfield excellent.Very good airfield to conduct an FIC course from no worries about exorbitant landing fees.

pondlife 4th Oct 2007 13:17

Why?
 
I, too, can confirm that Carol Cooper is highly recommended as an instructor at various levels including FI.

However, I have to wonder why you care about the instructor's sex. Choosing an instructor based on their sex is no more valid than choosing one based on their race.

In this case I don't suppose that your prejudice is illegal because you won't be employing directly but I can suggest some other criteria you should apply in place of the sex of your instructor: -

1. Their ability to instruct you. Reputation is relevant but their natural style will suit some students better than others. A better instructor will be able to adapt their natural style to you to some extent but if you are poles apart then you're not likely to work well together.

2. Whether you're likely to enjoy each other's company - you'll be spending a fair bit of time together in a small space.

3. Availability on the terms that suit you.

4. A location that suits you.

5. Working within an organisation that will help rather than hinder the process.

...
...

I would suggest that you apply sensible criteria including but not limited to the above and then not worry what race, sex, good/bad looks etc, you end up with. There are plenty of people of both sexes in all professions who are better or worse than their peers quite independantly of their sex.

Runaway Gun 4th Oct 2007 16:57

Maybe he's a woman !!

Whirlybird 4th Oct 2007 17:08

I think it's most likely that chiplight2005 is a woman. If he is male, I personally find it a bit odd. But if she's female.... I would love to have had a female instructor...I've never yet had one. Is that so strange? Is it prejudice to prefer to be in a very cramped cockpit for weeks on end during a very stressful course, with someone who is possibly more likely to think like I do, who isn't likely to misconstrue anything I say or do that might conceivably have sexual connotations, and who might even understand me if I'm having problems? I'm not saying a man couldn't fulfil all those conditions...but I never yet met one who could! So yes, maybe it's prejudice, technically. But so what? And of course other things matter too. But I'd tend to take it as a given that anyone teaching FI courses was probably pretty good.

The FI course (the rotary one at least) is hard enough anyway. If you have personal preferences of any type that might make it easier, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

FlyingForFun 4th Oct 2007 18:43


Is it prejudice to prefer to be in a very cramped cockpit for weeks on end during a very stressful course, with someone who is [female]
No, definitely not prejudice.

But it does occur to me that, after doing the FIC, chiplight2005 will be spending many months or years in a very cramped cockpit, mostly with men. If he/she has a very strong reason not to want to do this at this stage, he/she will have to overcome that before starting an instructing job.....

For what it's worth, I've flown with two female instructors. One was absolutely the worst instructor I've ever flown with. Because I was a little "different" (she was an FAA instructor, used to teaching night flying to low-hour students, and I was a couple-of-hundred hour PPL doing a UK night qualification, so far more experienced than the students she normally did night flying with) she was at a complete loss as to what to do with me, and I pretty much told her what exercises to do when.

The other female instructor is very good. I immediately took to flying with her, remained friends with her after I completed my PPL, and asked her to instruct me for other courses before she got herself an airline job.

So, based on my very small sample of female instructors, it's not possible to generalise!

FFF
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OpenCirrus619 4th Oct 2007 20:07

Here's my offering - for what it's worth...

The best advice I can give is:
  • Go and talk to ALL the instructors you are considering. First impressions are important - also you don't want to make sure you are going to be comfortable where you are doing your "ground work".
  • Consider what your availability is. I was severely limited in the places I could train by the fact I was limited to weekends.
  • Don't forget weather. If you are more than an hour from the airfield you could end up having to set out in the morning before you know if you will be able to fly.

When I started out on the (3 year) journey to get my CPL and FI rating I fully intended to do the FIC with Eva at The Pilot Centre. (Meeting my wife and moving to Kent kinda changed the logistics of that one - so I used an FIE local to my new home). I state this so you can make your own accurate assessment of my views.

I was a member at The Pilot Centre for 5 years and never failed to be impressed by Eva.
http://www.egld.com/tpc/images/eva2.jpg

I hope that, one day, I can match her ability to:
  • Identify a pilots problem
  • Diagnose the cause
  • Transfer the appropriate knowledge, in a suitable way for the student, to resolve the problem

Specific examples:
  • 200 hour PPL who could "grease" (almost) every landing - but was not happy because he knew the wheels were touching the runway before he wanted. ONE circuit was all it took Eva to sort it out!!!
  • Pre-solo PPL who had been let down by other schools (including almost 50 hours from a US school in his book) and not gone solo. It didn't take Eva long to identify the issues and get him off alone.
In addition I did speak, at some (for them probably excessive) length, to FI candidates who were doing / had done the course with Eva - without exception the feedback was positive. One point that was made by many was the fact Eva actually took the time to cover the ground school - apparently many FI courses "are economical in this area".

OC619

P.S. I was the 200 hour PPL!!

(Edited to correct punctuation - that's how sad I am)

OpenCirrus619 4th Oct 2007 20:19


Originally Posted by Whirlybird
If he is male, I personally find it a bit odd.

HK - If "he" has seen photos of you in recent copies of a certain flying magazine then I'm not sure that is fair. Maybe "he's" hoping to find a fixed wing version of Whirlybird.

OC619

P.S. I know (to poach somone else's line): "Hat, Coat, Door"....
P.P.S. I agree with you about the probable gender of the thread originator.

Arfur Feck-Sake 4th Oct 2007 20:27

A female who feels that she has been subject to sex discrimination in previous training in this male-dominated industry might wish to undertake future training with a female instructor. I'm guesing that's the background to this one.

Women learn differently and women teach differently.

Whirlybird 4th Oct 2007 21:47

OC619,

I read that three times and then decided maybe it was a compliment. ;) OK, so I'm slow.


Women learn differently and women teach differently.
Precisely. :ok:

OpenCirrus619 4th Oct 2007 21:50

Defintely meant as a compliment. :ok:

Abject apologies if there was any chance it could be taken any other way. :(

OC619


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