Solo authorisations?
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On QXC and the like I would log 3 solos sent and stuff the CAA.
If they return it with a quibble tell them you de-briefed the student by mobile phone at each landaway and then verbally authorised him to continue.
Nowhere does it say that you must be physically present etc.
Its a jobsworth rule plucked out of thin air as it is.
Its easily and legally circumventable by all qualified instructors at a school 'giving away' all the their solo auths to the new instructor who then accumulates them at a prodigious rate.
If they are going to invent arbitrary rules then people will treat them arbitrarily.
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If they return it with a quibble tell them you de-briefed the student by mobile phone at each landaway and then verbally authorised him to continue.
Nowhere does it say that you must be physically present etc.
Its a jobsworth rule plucked out of thin air as it is.
Its easily and legally circumventable by all qualified instructors at a school 'giving away' all the their solo auths to the new instructor who then accumulates them at a prodigious rate.
If they are going to invent arbitrary rules then people will treat them arbitrarily.
WWW
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Cessnababe, very true. I wish we could have the "old" system back of testing to get rid of the restriction. I learnt so much more in that test. I was more confident of what I was doing, was able to put together a much more refined patter. The examiner was able to dig deeper into my knowledge, or lack of and teach me something new. I also saw a different slant on how things can be done. All very humbling and informative.
The new renewal requirements have gone some way to addressing this.
Even the old system of a quick "test" on a new type was a great way for my CFI (FIE) to introduce new techniques or just weed out bad habits creeping in. It certainly hammered home a standard to be maintained in all my instruction. Your learning curve is highest at this point and this helped immensely.
The new renewal requirements have gone some way to addressing this.
Even the old system of a quick "test" on a new type was a great way for my CFI (FIE) to introduce new techniques or just weed out bad habits creeping in. It certainly hammered home a standard to be maintained in all my instruction. Your learning curve is highest at this point and this helped immensely.
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The benefit of the old system for FI qualification was that AFIs had to present students for pre first solo checks, this gave some indication of the quality of airmanship and skills being taught. There was a higher experience bar (400 PIC, 200 instruction as I remember) and the FI test. One of the items I remember being covered in the test Q and A was criteria for judging someone fit to go solo.
MJ
You point about the night rating reminds be of an answer given at one of the JAA Instructor seminars regarding the currency of the instructor, particularly when it was the first NR of a new season.
The answer was that you didn't need to have 1 landing in the last 90 days at night, since the student wasn't a passenger but a member of the flight crew!
MJ
You point about the night rating reminds be of an answer given at one of the JAA Instructor seminars regarding the currency of the instructor, particularly when it was the first NR of a new season.
The answer was that you didn't need to have 1 landing in the last 90 days at night, since the student wasn't a passenger but a member of the flight crew!
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There should also be an assessment of the suitability of the individual to hold an instructional role as well as a far more searching check of their flying skills before they are permitted to commence a FI course.
Too many people view the world of flying instruction as purely a route to fund their hours building and airline aspirations. Not all 'hours builders' should be tarred with such a brush as there are some keen and enthusiastic youngsters out there giving it their all. Indeed, if they can manage to find the time, many come back from their airlines to keep their insructional ticket valid and build up a few more P1C hous. This helps to motivate others further down the food chain and to keep the school/club in touch with the airline industry.
Unfortunately some FTOs would seem to view the task of training FIs as a merely a convenient revenue stream. Personally I feel that the initial FI Skill Test should be conducted by an approved, wholly independent group of FIEs rather than by 'in-house' FIEs with a commercial interest in the FTO....as should a FI(R) upgrade test to remove the supervisory and 'No Applied Instrument' restrictions.
Too many people view the world of flying instruction as purely a route to fund their hours building and airline aspirations. Not all 'hours builders' should be tarred with such a brush as there are some keen and enthusiastic youngsters out there giving it their all. Indeed, if they can manage to find the time, many come back from their airlines to keep their insructional ticket valid and build up a few more P1C hous. This helps to motivate others further down the food chain and to keep the school/club in touch with the airline industry.
Unfortunately some FTOs would seem to view the task of training FIs as a merely a convenient revenue stream. Personally I feel that the initial FI Skill Test should be conducted by an approved, wholly independent group of FIEs rather than by 'in-house' FIEs with a commercial interest in the FTO....as should a FI(R) upgrade test to remove the supervisory and 'No Applied Instrument' restrictions.
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Would you be AS, perchance? If so, hope that you're feeling better now. But if you're not AS, please give him my best wishes for a speedy recovery (ex-ULAS mate).
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boffo, the student log the flights as solo, i.e. P1, the instructor logs nothing except the solo authorisation (if FI(R)), and that's not needed when the instructor is unrestricted, he/she just lounges around, or better still takes another student for a lesson.
Send Clowns, the CAA form for the removal of FI restrictions (Form FCL676 Issue 2 (SRG\1133)) has a sheet (page 3) which is a record of your supervised solo authorisations, each flight is signed off by the supervising FI, usually the CFI.
Send Clowns, the CAA form for the removal of FI restrictions (Form FCL676 Issue 2 (SRG\1133)) has a sheet (page 3) which is a record of your supervised solo authorisations, each flight is signed off by the supervising FI, usually the CFI.
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BEagle, once again your views exactly mirror my own regarding training, testing and removal of restrictions from FI(R). I would like very much if those agreeing with BEagle would send me a private email as there are a number of topics I would welcome discussing in another arena.
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Thanks a lot Snigs, have printed off a copy of this form. Up to 21 hours instruction now, but no solos to sign off. Need a student of my own 
Maybe one or two to start after trial lessons today, 16-year old girls, so looking up 
Maybe one or two to start after trial lessons today, 16-year old girls, so looking up
