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Old 16th Jan 2024, 20:11
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Unrestricted UK FI, restricted EASA FI

After working as a part-time instructor for 2 years and just under 400 hrs of dual given, I finally will be unrestricting my UK FI cert. Those 25 solo authorisations were surprisingly hard to obtain as sadly I couldn't "borrow" other instructors' students whilst also ending up with 5 under-16s students in the first year...on the bright side, seems like my first first-solo release will be one of them as they turn 16!

Anway, waffling aside, I now have an interesting situation. My UK FI will be unrestricted however, unfortunately, IAA will not let me use any of the 400~ hours or solo authorisations to unrestrict my EASA FI as it wasn't completed at an EASA ATO with an EASA FI supervising, training EASA medical holders (red-tape a little strong on this). Annoyingly, before I SOLI-ed my EASA licence to IAA (due to finding a M.78 tin can job), my previous authority allowed me to conduct SEP revalidation training flights unsupervised and would have been happy to let me unrestrict my EASA FI on the basis of UK experience.

Somewhat recently, there have been a few times when a dual-licenced pilot has asked me if I could FCL.945 their UK SEP and endorse for EASA reval training flight however, I rejected as I wasn't sure what IAA's stance was in terms of whether I needed to be supervised by an EASA FI or not. I am also hoping to add "(h)"/IR privileges to both FI certs soon but my understanding is authorities do not like IR privileges on restricted FI certs.

I have sent an email to IAA back in early December asking:
1. Can I conduct SEP reval training flights unsupervised?
2. Can I extend my restricted FI to include IR instructing?
Unfortunately, 7 weeks later, I still don't have a response (and have tried calling, to be told "they will get back to me").

I do not suppose anyone here has any ideas about the two questions above, in particular to the IAA? Also, I don't suppose anyone here have any suggestions on how I might be able to unrestrict my IAA FI, solving these issues?

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Old 16th Jan 2024, 22:36
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I understand the IAA do not give out 945 to every FI so unless you have it on your IAA licence you can't sign off anyone with a EASA licence.
Secondly, you cannot add the IRI tick to a Restricted FI unless you do the stand alone IRI course and have the 800 hours IFR, which you may have as an airline pilot.
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Old 16th Jan 2024, 23:07
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Originally Posted by Whopity
I understand the IAA do not give out 945 to every FI so unless you have it on your IAA licence you can't sign off anyone with a EASA licence.
Secondly, you cannot add the IRI tick to a Restricted FI unless you do the stand alone IRI course and have the 800 hours IFR, which you may have as an airline pilot.
Oh sorry, to clarify, I never held 945 privileges on my EASA FI. I meant more endorsing their logbooks and signing the training flight confirmation on the application form (if required for their authority, such as Austria) after completing the 1hr "training flight" so they can go to their favourite EASA examiner to endorse their licence.
I suspected that was likely the case. Let's see if I can convince IAA to unrestrict my IAA FI or just simply eat the additional costs for a 800hr IRI instead of the FI extension.
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Old 17th Jan 2024, 07:53
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Carrying out a training flight and filling in the associated paperwork (logbook and application form) is something that you should be able to carry out, but the supervision question is the big question mark. I know that various ATOs have differing approaches to this, perhaps it's best to ask the CFI at the facility where you work from. Personally, I would not have a problem with a restricted FI carrying out such a training flight. The restriction on your FI rating is mostly aimed at restricting the risks surrounding first solos and you establishing a basis of instructing experience before training for the CPL and such. Because of this, a training flight with a licence holder should be well within your capabilities and not something that should be restricted by your limited priviliges. But that's just my two cents of course.

You muddied the water there when you mentioned 'could FCL.945 their...' as that normally relates to extending the validity period of the rating by filling in the boxes on the licence and signing this. For that you need to be a FE or have the FCL.945 privilige on your FI rating. But I realise that you're aware of that. Just thought it worth mentioning... to 'un-muddy' the waters again, if that makes sense...
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Old 17th Jan 2024, 08:54
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"... or have the FCL.945 privilige on your FI rating"

Part-FCL only requires the instructor to be "specifically authorised ... by the competent authority responsible for the applicant's licence." For example, one IAA licence holder appears on the Danish list of approved FCL.945 instructors.
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Old 17th Jan 2024, 14:26
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I have 'FCL.945' marked under 'Remarks and Restrictions' behind my FI(A) rating on my licence. I don't think our (Dutch) authorities have a list of approved FCL.945 instructors, at least, I have never seen one, but other authorities may have other approaches to this.
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Old 17th Jan 2024, 19:25
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Originally Posted by Jhieminga
You muddied the water there when you mentioned 'could FCL.945 their...' as that normally relates to extending the validity period of the rating by filling in the boxes on the licence and signing this. For that you need to be a FE or have the FCL.945 privilige on your FI rating. But I realise that you're aware of that. Just thought it worth mentioning... to 'un-muddy' the waters again, if that makes sense...
My head of training is happy for me to do revals completely outside of the ATO so unless IAA says otherwise at a later date, I'll start to accept doing EASA training flights again.

Thought I was clear enough with my statement meaning FCL.945 for UK and only logbook/reval form endorsement for EASA but maybe not. Ah well, at least it seems like the miscommunication has been solved.
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Old 25th Jan 2024, 07:03
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FCL945, under EASA, only applies to the same state of licence issue.

So if, say, you are one of the dozen or so IAA instructors with 945 on your licence, then you can only sign paperwork for an IAA licence holder. For all other circumstances, you have to be an examiner.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Meerkat
Annoyingly, before I SOLI-ed my EASA licence to IAA (due to finding a M.78 tin can job), my previous authority allowed me to conduct SEP revalidation training flights unsupervised and would have been happy to let me unrestrict my EASA FI on the basis of UK experience.
So the question is, how pissed off would your employer be if you SOLI back again? The whole point of EASA is that it is supposed to be recognised by all states, I understand it the only reason some companies demand a particular licence is to make their paperwork easier. Could you SOLI out right after your LPC and SOLI back within 12 months?
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