ORS4 1374 - "remote briefings"
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ORS4 1374 - "remote briefings"
The CAA exemption allowing for extension of validity periods for ratings says that the required briefing from an instructor "may be carried out remotely". Just wondered if anyone has a view on what that means. The prospect of every lapsing SEPL Rating holder requiring an individual briefing over the phone/Skype/whatever would have me heading for the hills. I'm contemplating putting together a couple of pages brief on key SEPL reval items (stalls, PFLs etc), sending that to anyone looking for a reval extension, and asking them to confirm in writing that they've read and understood it.
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They've just issued another exemption which covers extension of validity of National licences and ratings. It says the briefing can be conducted
but there's no such guidance in ORS4 No.1374 for the remote briefing for extension of an EASA rating/certificate.
via preferably an electronic audio-visual link or telephone or in person maintaining social distancing requirements
I've had my first request and my plan is to do the briefing via Skype if possible. To be honest I doubt the CAA has much of a view as to how its delivered so long as something happens. It is, as far as I can see, pretty much a token fig-leaf to allow them to grant extentions on the basis that 'something' was done.
I might be wrong but I find it hard to believe that a briefing is anywhere near as useful as flying with the guy, no matter how it's delivered in this context.
None of which is meant to decry what CAA has done, I applaud the pragmatic approach to the problem.
I might be wrong but I find it hard to believe that a briefing is anywhere near as useful as flying with the guy, no matter how it's delivered in this context.
None of which is meant to decry what CAA has done, I applaud the pragmatic approach to the problem.
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Agreed with all you say. We've been discussing this locally and accept it's no substitute for flying with someone but at least it's a holding action until we can. Well done the CAA for doing something.
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Having now done a remote briefing for the SEP, i just went through some of the items on the srg1157, in particular, the emergencies section, flight planning etc. I also covered some of the recent changed such as the end of the derogation allowing flight clear of cloud and in sight of the surface in class D airspace that came in after the lock-down.
No substitute for a flight either as instructor or LPC but the feedback was positive.
No substitute for a flight either as instructor or LPC but the feedback was positive.
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Obviously flying an LPC would be better, but what happens in the days before an LPC and in the Briefing? You think about the rules, procedures and drills, you read up about maneuvers and exercises you're likely to have, and get them fresh in your mind so that on the day you hit the ground running. At least that's what I do. And when I do that I tend to nail it when I'm asked to do something.
It's not a licence proficiency practice, it's a licence proficiency check, and the important thing is how you prepare for it. We don't suddenly go from being proficient to unproficient at the stroke of midnight, and for someone with a good amount of LPCs under their belt I would say a good briefing achieves 90% of the aim, certainly enough to award 6 months extra validity in such unusual circumstances.
It's not a licence proficiency practice, it's a licence proficiency check, and the important thing is how you prepare for it. We don't suddenly go from being proficient to unproficient at the stroke of midnight, and for someone with a good amount of LPCs under their belt I would say a good briefing achieves 90% of the aim, certainly enough to award 6 months extra validity in such unusual circumstances.
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I want to revalidate my examiner ticket, paid for seminar, but who knows when that will happen. I can foresee quite a few airline pilots wanting to get there sep's revalidated just so they can at least fly something in the next 12 months.
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You can extend it Bob. Talk to your FIE. I did my seminar last year but of course cannot do the AoC. I'll be getting my "refresher" from my FIE this week in order to extend to November, special forms and all.
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Morning all
Im doing my first one today, I see how its recorded on the ratings page, but there is no mention of any forms to the CAA, have I missed something?
thanks in advance
Im doing my first one today, I see how its recorded on the ratings page, but there is no mention of any forms to the CAA, have I missed something?
thanks in advance
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Originally Posted by Whopity
It is recommended that you record it on a SRG1157, that way you have a record and you can send it to the CAA as well.
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SRG1100F, is that a typo as I cannot find that form?
I used SrG1100 and wrote the statement ORS4 1384/1373 and emailed it to FCLwebb too. I’ll do Whopities 1157 as well now.
SRG1100F, is that a typo as I cannot find that form?
I used SrG1100 and wrote the statement ORS4 1384/1373 and emailed it to FCLwebb too. I’ll do Whopities 1157 as well now.
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caa.co.uk/srg1100f is the way to find any form you know the number for.
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Laststandards - thanks, I didn’t think about finding it that way. I looked in the list of publications under FCL but it is not listed there which is odd.
I guess I need to redo some people’s forms.
I guess I need to redo some people’s forms.
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Just a thought, now that online teaching in schools, colleges and in our sector the groundschool has proven itself, what is the possibility of refresher courses going online?
The content of the course would remain constant, and it might be more profitable for the providers.
The content of the course would remain constant, and it might be more profitable for the providers.
Whilst the regulation changed the wording from Seminar to Refresher Training, the revised AMC still shows the format as a Seminar. Change of wording but not of purpose or content.
Breakout groups and workshops are not so easy to arrange online.
The instructor refresher training for the revalidation of the FI and IRI certificates should be provided as a seminar by either an ATO, DTO, or competent authority.
(b) Such seminars should run for at least 2 days (1 day = 6Hours) and attendance from participants will be required for the whole duration of the seminar including breakout groups and workshops.
The attendance form will be completed and signed by the organiser of the seminar as approved by the competent authority, following attendance and satisfactory participation by the FI or IRI.
(b) Such seminars should run for at least 2 days (1 day = 6Hours) and attendance from participants will be required for the whole duration of the seminar including breakout groups and workshops.
The attendance form will be completed and signed by the organiser of the seminar as approved by the competent authority, following attendance and satisfactory participation by the FI or IRI.
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As I see it, SRG 1100F is only used when the Sep has not been signed, ie a remote revalidation. I cannot see anywhere on ors4 1412 that the caa are notified of the new expiry date 22nd Nov. When the Sep has been signed up.
