for how long is an IR renewal possible?
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for how long is an IR renewal possible?
hi guys, last lpc on the 777 was 6 years ago, considering becoming MEP instructor, so mep course and mep instructor course, is it easy to renew the IR, or is that a full course as well, thank you.
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Under current EASA regulations (FCL.625 IR), within 7 years after expiration you only need a refresher training at an ATO. After 7 years, you have to repeat the whole course, including theory.
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Question: the amendment 3 of the AMC ED Decision 2017/022 as changed the text of AMC1 FCL.625 (c)IR and does not mention the 7 years "full course" expiration anymore or ėlapsed time guidance (3 months, 1 year, 7 years) seemingly leaving it up to the ATO to decide training needed and provide completion certificate at the end to go with the examiner report.
Can we confirm it doesn't change FCL.625(d) If the IR has not been revalidated or renewed within the preceding 7 years, the holder will be required to pass again the IR theoretical knowledge examination and skill test?
Annex I to ED Decision 2017/022/R‘AMC/GM to Part-FCL—Amendment 3’
The Annex to ED Decision 2011/016/Ris amended as follow:
1.AMC1FCL.625(c) is replaced by the following:
AMC1FCL.625(c)IR —Validity, revalidation and renewal
RENEWAL OF INSTRUMENT RATING AT AN APPROVED TRAINING ORGANISATION (ATO): REFRESHER TRAINING
(a)The objective of the refresher training at an ATO is to reach the level of proficiency needed to pass the instrument rating proficiency check, as described in Appendix 9, or the instrument rating skill test as described in Appendix 7 to Part-FCL, as applicable. The amount of refresher training needed should be determined by the ATO on a case-by-case basis, taking into account the following factors:
(c)After successful completion of the training, the ATO should provide a training completion certificate to the applicant, which describes the evaluation of the factors listed under (a) above and the training received and includes a statement that the training has been successfully completed. The training completion certificate should be presented to the examiner prior to the proficiency check. Following the successful renewal of the rating, the training completion certificate and examiner report form should be submitted to the competent authority.
(d)Taking into account the factors listed in (a) above, an ATO may also decide that the applicant already possesses the required level of proficiency and that no refresher training is necessary. In such a case, the certificate or other documental evidence referred to in point (c) above should contain a respective statement including sufficient reasoning.
Question: the amendment 3 of the AMC ED Decision 2017/022 as changed the text of AMC1 FCL.625 (c)IR and does not mention the 7 years "full course" expiration anymore or ėlapsed time guidance (3 months, 1 year, 7 years) seemingly leaving it up to the ATO to decide training needed and provide completion certificate at the end to go with the examiner report.
Can we confirm it doesn't change FCL.625(d) If the IR has not been revalidated or renewed within the preceding 7 years, the holder will be required to pass again the IR theoretical knowledge examination and skill test?
Annex I to ED Decision 2017/022/R‘AMC/GM to Part-FCL—Amendment 3’
The Annex to ED Decision 2011/016/Ris amended as follow:
1.AMC1FCL.625(c) is replaced by the following:
AMC1FCL.625(c)IR —Validity, revalidation and renewal
RENEWAL OF INSTRUMENT RATING AT AN APPROVED TRAINING ORGANISATION (ATO): REFRESHER TRAINING
(a)The objective of the refresher training at an ATO is to reach the level of proficiency needed to pass the instrument rating proficiency check, as described in Appendix 9, or the instrument rating skill test as described in Appendix 7 to Part-FCL, as applicable. The amount of refresher training needed should be determined by the ATO on a case-by-case basis, taking into account the following factors:
(1)the experience of the applicant;(2)the amount of time elapsed since the privileges of the rating were last used;(3)the complexity of the aircraft;(4)whether the applicant has a current rating on another aircraft type or class; and(5)where considered necessary, the performance of the applicant during a simulated proficiency check for the rating in a flight simulation training device(FSTD)or an aircraft of a relevant type or class. The amount of training needed to reach the desired level of competency should increase with the time elapsed since the privileges of the rating were last used.
(b)Once the ATO has determined the needs of the applicant, it should develop an individual training programme based on the ATO’s approved course for the rating and focusing on those aspects where the applicant has shown the greatest needs. Theoretical-knowledge instruction should be included, as necessary. The performance of the applicant should be reviewed during the training, and additional instruction should be provided where necessary to reach the standard required for the proficiency check.(c)After successful completion of the training, the ATO should provide a training completion certificate to the applicant, which describes the evaluation of the factors listed under (a) above and the training received and includes a statement that the training has been successfully completed. The training completion certificate should be presented to the examiner prior to the proficiency check. Following the successful renewal of the rating, the training completion certificate and examiner report form should be submitted to the competent authority.
(d)Taking into account the factors listed in (a) above, an ATO may also decide that the applicant already possesses the required level of proficiency and that no refresher training is necessary. In such a case, the certificate or other documental evidence referred to in point (c) above should contain a respective statement including sufficient reasoning.
It really doesn't matter if it expires, thanks to the CBIR route there is no requirement to do a full course any more. It's even possible to do an oral exam instead of the writtens.
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CBIR
I did the CBIR in the Netherlands. Because nobody passes the oral exam here, I did the 3 required exams being : Airlaw, Meteorology, Flight Planning.
Good luck !
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