What do you allow your students to do solo?
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Foxmoth... Clearly the student needs to be competant with all flap settings and go around in all flap configurations during traing, but the C150 could be a hand full for an inexperienced student with full flap on go around. Inadvetent full flap selection was much easier that say the C152 and C172, hence the C152 only had 30 degrees of flap.
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As did I. But the Cessna 150s we had were brand new from Reims, so weren't as bent or tired as others.
40 flap go-arounds were a little demanding, but at the Bedfordshire Flying Centre, we were taught by excellent instructors!
And I speak as someone that did his PPL on a C150 with 40 degrees of flap and practiced pretty much everything allowed solo!
40 flap go-arounds were a little demanding, but at the Bedfordshire Flying Centre, we were taught by excellent instructors!
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But still the origional question was, "do you allow students to practice this solo" To my mind they should be able to practice anything solo that they are cleared to do once they have qualified and are flying without the oversight of an instructor!
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when infact they should have been taught to 'use opposite rudder to prevent further wing drop'.
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Absolutely right! Teaching students anything else is incorrect - techniques such as 'stopping further wing drop with rudder' are archaic and potentially dangerous.
No! They should be taught that rudder is there to keep the aircraft in balance!
But Chevron, can you elaborate on the the aircraft spinning and the CO leakage or let me have the regn. I'm interested, because the C150 and C152 are fairly docile in the spin, although with full pro spin aileron, it gets a bit more exciting.
On this topic, it was previously rumoured on PPRUNE that HRH Prince William never actually went solo during his RAF training on the Grob 115 and Tucano, can anyone clarify this? Likewise does he ever fly the air ambulance without another pilot?
On this topic, it was previously rumoured on PPRUNE that HRH Prince William never actually went solo during his RAF training on the Grob 115 and Tucano, can anyone clarify this? Likewise does he ever fly the air ambulance without another pilot?
The aircraft was GBAIJ, a Riems Cessna 150 Aerobat operated by Denham Flying Training School.
I last flew 'IJ and reported its stall warner u/s on 12 Jun '76 and it crashed on 28 Jun 76. I can't find an official AAIB report although AAIB were certainly aware; they interviewed me!
I read that it was believed CO contamination due to a stuck exhaust valve contributed to the crash.
My brother in law flew in it with me some time previously and being a retained fireman, was in one of the first crews on the scene. He said both occupants were bent fully forward suggesting they hadn't had their shoulder straps fastened ('IJ being an Aerobat, it had 4 point harness).
When I saw the wreckage in the AAIB hangar, the leading edges of both wings were compressed in a 'concertina' fashion.
As regards 'Royals' flying solo, I remember reading the Prince of Wales always had a safety pilot as did the Duke of Edinburgh but I'm not sure about the others.
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Chevvron...
ASN reports: Written off (destroyed) 28/06/1976 in a fatal crash following engine problems. Aircratf came down at Raans Road Farm, Amersham, Buckinghamshire, killing both persons on board. Registration G-BAIJ cancelled belatedly on 15/4/1977 - almost a year later - as aircraft "destroyed (notified)". The words "notified" indicates that no one bothered to tell the CAA of the loss of this aircraft for quite some time!
But there is an AAIB report for the same regn and type in 1994? Why?
I think there is a photo of HRH Duke of Edinburgh solo in a Harvard. Could Prince william really hold a CPL or ATPL(H) without flying solo?
ASN reports: Written off (destroyed) 28/06/1976 in a fatal crash following engine problems. Aircratf came down at Raans Road Farm, Amersham, Buckinghamshire, killing both persons on board. Registration G-BAIJ cancelled belatedly on 15/4/1977 - almost a year later - as aircraft "destroyed (notified)". The words "notified" indicates that no one bothered to tell the CAA of the loss of this aircraft for quite some time!
But there is an AAIB report for the same regn and type in 1994? Why?
I think there is a photo of HRH Duke of Edinburgh solo in a Harvard. Could Prince william really hold a CPL or ATPL(H) without flying solo?
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To add this is a Pathe video of the DoE solo in a a Harvard.
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'Now, Sir, as you take off, you'll find that without my weight the aircraft will get off the ground surprisingly quickly. Just do a normal circuit and land. If you're at all unhappy, just overshoot and do another circuit.'
Oh do shut up and let me get on with it'.
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Oh do shut up and let me get on with it'.
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Some very interesting comments!
its a battle I am still having at the school, but by talking about it and bringing it up, slowly they are considering their ideas!
What is annoying me slightly is some of the order that some of the instructors are teaching things...for example PFLs in a field before glide circuits? Its seems silly to me that way, as the hard part of PFLs is always from 1400ft down, on a base turn as it were, the glide circuits teaches them this judgement and can go all the way down to ground...heaven forbid the school ever allows students to do solo glide circuits....
its a battle I am still having at the school, but by talking about it and bringing it up, slowly they are considering their ideas!
What is annoying me slightly is some of the order that some of the instructors are teaching things...for example PFLs in a field before glide circuits? Its seems silly to me that way, as the hard part of PFLs is always from 1400ft down, on a base turn as it were, the glide circuits teaches them this judgement and can go all the way down to ground...heaven forbid the school ever allows students to do solo glide circuits....
It's my experience, over more than 30 years, that students have most of their problems with that part of the PFL leading up to the base leg/final. The majority of PPLs have the same difficulty.
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But that is because they have practiced the last bit plenty of times, if you don't know where that last bit should start because you have not done glide approaches how can you plan a PFL properly??
Just on the point of flap settings, consider the POH saying
"landings should normally be made at minimum controllable airspeed" (i.e. max flap)
"crosswind landings with minimal flap taking into account field length"
so he must be taught using the full flap range, must be checked on same, should then NOT be restricted on his solo flying, should he?
jr
"landings should normally be made at minimum controllable airspeed" (i.e. max flap)
"crosswind landings with minimal flap taking into account field length"
so he must be taught using the full flap range, must be checked on same, should then NOT be restricted on his solo flying, should he?
jr
