Flight Examiners Seminar?
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Flight Examiners Seminar?
As if this job wasn't complicated and expensive enough already, it seems that, as well as a Flight Test, I now have to attend a two day Examiners' Seminar before I can re-validate my Examiner's Authority! 
Anyone know where I can find one of these in the next 2 months?
MJ
Anyone know where I can find one of these in the next 2 months?
MJ
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Doesn't your Authority provide an online seminar? In Germany you can do it online and take the required test at the end. You have all the time in the world to read the seminar and the test only takes 30 minutes plus there is a lot of useful information.
And it is for free
And it is for free
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Dear Pete,
so far it is only for German Examiners. You have to register with the so called ILIAS system first.
ILIAS
If you need more information you might want to contact Mr. Fleischer (administrator of ILIAS) at the LBA: [email protected]
so far it is only for German Examiners. You have to register with the so called ILIAS system first.
ILIAS
If you need more information you might want to contact Mr. Fleischer (administrator of ILIAS) at the LBA: [email protected]
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Central Flight Training also offer them at Tatenhill, dates by arrangement.
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I'm going to On-Track at Wellesbourne next Wednesday, just one day for the examiner seminar, the two day seminars are for the FI rating renewal or re validation.
I did the instructor seminar with them a few years ago and it was much better than I was expecting, quite useful, mostly interesting and I did actually learn a few things, hope the examiner one will be the same.
It costs £160, plus travel, possibly accommodation and a non-earning day of course 😖 so need to do a couple or three tests just to cover those.
Register and pay here if you're able to make it on Wednesday.
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There's also Pooley's at Shoreham on 18th March, but that's a bit of a hike from up North, I thought Wellesbourne was far enough to go.
I did the instructor seminar with them a few years ago and it was much better than I was expecting, quite useful, mostly interesting and I did actually learn a few things, hope the examiner one will be the same.
It costs £160, plus travel, possibly accommodation and a non-earning day of course 😖 so need to do a couple or three tests just to cover those.
Register and pay here if you're able to make it on Wednesday.
Flying Training|Instructor|Examiner|Formation|CPL|Aerobatics
There's also Pooley's at Shoreham on 18th March, but that's a bit of a hike from up North, I thought Wellesbourne was far enough to go.
My estimate of the additional cost of FE seminars for PPL/FIs is around £500...
In addition to the seminar fee, you have to factor in:
- Travel
- Overnight accommodation
- Subsistence (apart from at the seminar)
- Loss of earning
Wasn't it all so much easier under the old 'BX' examiner system.....
In addition to the seminar fee, you have to factor in:
- Travel
- Overnight accommodation
- Subsistence (apart from at the seminar)
- Loss of earning
Wasn't it all so much easier under the old 'BX' examiner system.....
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The next problem will be finding a Senior Examiner, since the privileges were split from the FIE with yet more expense, most are giving up!
I don't really know why I'm renewing it, beyond not wanting to let anything lapse.
I almost never get asked to do any tests now, as I once failed someone, and it's the examiners who are seen as the easiest touch who get to do all the tests.
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Failing test candidates
MJ
Have you read your joining instructions from OnTrack yet? You need to (should?) take 2 examiner report forms from test where you haven't passed the candidate. Could be a bit tricky that one, I had to spend a bit of time this afternoon, going back through my records to find a couple, good job it had turned wet and windy.
I hear from someone who has recently done an initial FE course, that you're positively encouraged to have a healthy failure rate nowadays!
Whopity,
Is there a list of senior examiners somewhere who can do the flight test for the FE revalidation/renewal?
Have you read your joining instructions from OnTrack yet? You need to (should?) take 2 examiner report forms from test where you haven't passed the candidate. Could be a bit tricky that one, I had to spend a bit of time this afternoon, going back through my records to find a couple, good job it had turned wet and windy.
I hear from someone who has recently done an initial FE course, that you're positively encouraged to have a healthy failure rate nowadays!
Whopity,
Is there a list of senior examiners somewhere who can do the flight test for the FE revalidation/renewal?
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You need to (should?) take 2 examiner report forms from test where you haven't passed the candidate.
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The examiner seminars are not actually run by PAT; they are run by our sister company Flight Examiner Training, sometimes at our premises, sometimes elsewhere.
And yes, they are one day and no test, next one 27th March.
Linda Mollison
And yes, they are one day and no test, next one 27th March.
Linda Mollison
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Although a bit fed up to find that yet another expensive, and time consuming requirement had been added to the list of things with which we are required to comply, I just got back from sharing a very useful and worthwhile day at Wellesbourne (OnTrack).
Nice to see a few 'PPRuners' there, and a few others I hadn't met for a while.
For those just realising that they need to do a Seminar to Renew/Revalidate their Examiner Authority, I can recommend a day there.
MJ
Nice to see a few 'PPRuners' there, and a few others I hadn't met for a while.
For those just realising that they need to do a Seminar to Renew/Revalidate their Examiner Authority, I can recommend a day there.
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Finding a senior examiner
We were told at the seminar at On Track today that all current FIEs, of which there about 40 apparently, have been designated as senior examiners. So, you should be able to do your FE AoC with pretty much any of them. Although, when they have to pay for it next time around, some may choose not to.
There is no list, even though EASA says the CAA are meant to produce one, due to data protection legislation and the authority not getting it's finger out and getting consent to publish from all the FIEs.
I'd agree with MJ, another expensive EASA hoop to jump through, but at least this one was useful and I did learn a few things.
There is no list, even though EASA says the CAA are meant to produce one, due to data protection legislation and the authority not getting it's finger out and getting consent to publish from all the FIEs.
I'd agree with MJ, another expensive EASA hoop to jump through, but at least this one was useful and I did learn a few things.