ATPL valid for SEP (with no SEP for 10 years?)

[Mach Jump]

Just trying to establish what's legal, Genghis. What's sensible can be a different thing entirely.

Used to be we just got a Pilot's Licence and used out judgement. Now things are so complicated that people assume that if it's legal, it must be safe.


MJ

[Whopity]

There doesn't seem to be, in EASA-land, anything to say the PPL(A) has to have a current rating attached!

But two lines above in the original post you stated:

The holder of a Part-FCL ATPL(A) can fly EASA Aeroplanes registered in the EU and non-EASA Aeroplanes registered in the UK that come within the privileges of the licence and the valid ratings included in the licence.

[BillieBob]

There doesn't seem to be, in EASA-land, anything to say the PPL(A) has to have a current rating attached!

Yes, there is. FCL.035 states "The exercise of the privileges granted by a licence shall be dependent upon the validity of the ratings contained therein, if applicable, and of the medical certificate." i.e. if the licence does not include an applicable and valid rating, its privileges may not be exercised.

To exercise the privileges of his ATPL(A) on microlight aircraft, therefore, the holder must have an applicable and valid rating and, since a microlight rating cannot be added to an EASA licence, the only option is an SEP rating which, with differences training, will be valid on UK-registered microlights under Article 62(6). The alternative is to obtain a separate NPPL(M), which would require a GST.

[BBK]

Hi Chaps/Ladies

Quick off thread question. Regarding the 12 hours that need to be completed within the previous 12 months can Flight time on a check ride (P1/S as some may call it) be counted towards the P1 time.

I've looked in CAP 804 and it doesn't mention P1/S. Maybe that was an old CAP53 thing

Thanks for any info.

regards

BBK

[Genghis the Engineer]

I think that you meant to start a new thread, not reply to this one?

Anyhow, if it's an instructor for training, it's dual. P1/S is a USian thing, doesn't happen over here and so far as I recall, hasn't for the last 20 years.

Also, the 12 hours is total, which needs to include at-least 6 hours PiC and 1 hour with an instructor, so it still counts for something useful.

G

[Curtis E Carr]

can Flight time on a check ride (P1/S as some may call it) be counted towards the P1 time.

What's a check ride?

[Level Attitude]

SEP Rating not necessarily necessary

Going back to the original question, before the issue of Microlights appeared:

An ATPL contains CPL and PPL Privileges, to exercise these in an SEP requires a valid SEP Rating.

However, an EASA ATPL also contains LAPL Privileges and an LAPL does not contain Ratings.
Therefore, provided they can comply with the rolling validity requirements, an EASA ATPL Holder can fly SEP, without a valid SEP Rating, to LAPL Privileges (No more than 4 people on board, etc)

[BillieBob]

What's a check ride?

What's P1/s? It doesn't appear anywhere in the Regulation - another UK CAA invention, I suppose.

[BBK]

GTE et al

I probably should have asked in a new thread. My error.

My old "Airtour" logbook lists P1 (PIC) Pu/t and P1/ s (PIC under supervision). Now when I used to instruct, a while ago admittedly, we used to let pilots who were undergoing currency checks claim P1/s. They didn't need a check flight for any CAA mandated reason as it was a club rule presumably laid down by the insurers. Typically it was about a month or so to stay "in check".
One would not expect to intervene on such a flight but of course I would always make helpful suggestions if I witnessed something amiss.

Legally I was PIC since the club member would be breaking the rules if he/she was PIC. Having competed a successful check flight I would sign their logbook etc. At least that's how I remember it. Old age and all that

So my question was does a "club check" count towards the 6 hours PIC?

BBK

Ps off a few days so not ignoring your replies if anyone has some good info.

Pps that logbook showed the first trip with a Paul Bonhomme. Whatever became of him

[BBK]

Sorry...me again!

Under JAA the check flight with an instructor wasn't required if as part of your "day job" you had undergone an LPC/OPC. Also, a company TRE could sign off the ratings page in your licence. A friend of mine, who is a TRE, believes that may have changed under EASA but he hasn't gotten around to looking up the precise details. Perhaps someone has encountered this already? Sorry Genghis, you're right I should've started a new thread.

[Mach Jump]

So my question was does a "club check" count towards the 6 hours PIC?

I believe the rules on P1/s remain the same. You can only log P1/s when you complete a sucessful Flight Test with an Examiner. So a 'Club Check' would never have counted.


MJ

[BBK]

Mach Jump

Thanks for the info.

regards

BBK