Tri restricted
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Tri restricted
It is written in FCL.910 that a TRI that did his training in sim only, he can perform "Line flying under supervision" what does that really mean? That someone sits in the cockpit with him and watches the training OR that the training is supervised by eg the Training Manager of the company or ATO?
Does that mean that a TRI restricted can actually perform aircraft training?
Or he has to do the AoC (assessment of competence) in an aircraft by a TRE to remove the "restricted"?
The "restricted" in the past was used for abnormal and emergency training...now this does not exist anymore....
Can someone clarify this?
Does that mean that a TRI restricted can actually perform aircraft training?
Or he has to do the AoC (assessment of competence) in an aircraft by a TRE to remove the "restricted"?
The "restricted" in the past was used for abnormal and emergency training...now this does not exist anymore....
Can someone clarify this?
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LIFUS is line training effectively, so a rated pilot learning to operate the aircraft, mainly used in airlines.
A TRI restricted to sim only can do just that, sim only. Further training is required for LIFUS. If you want aircraft privileges such as non-normals, type rating (base training) then you will have to pass an AOC with a TRE who also has those privileges on the aircraft.
If you have both, revalidation can only be achieved for both with a single aircraft check or a sim and aircraft check.
A TRI restricted to sim only can do just that, sim only. Further training is required for LIFUS. If you want aircraft privileges such as non-normals, type rating (base training) then you will have to pass an AOC with a TRE who also has those privileges on the aircraft.
If you have both, revalidation can only be achieved for both with a single aircraft check or a sim and aircraft check.
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I am an similar situation CAA UK holder here.
I did the A320 TRI course with my previous EASA company (the 10hrs where, according to their syllabus LIFUS additional training was included) unfortunately I did the Aoc in the Sim but I left the company for a non EASA operator before I could do the AOC in the aircraft.
In order to add LIFUS I just need to do an Aoc with an EASA TRE in the aircraft? Is my understading correct?
what is your opinion on that?
thx for help
I did the A320 TRI course with my previous EASA company (the 10hrs where, according to their syllabus LIFUS additional training was included) unfortunately I did the Aoc in the Sim but I left the company for a non EASA operator before I could do the AOC in the aircraft.
In order to add LIFUS I just need to do an Aoc with an EASA TRE in the aircraft? Is my understading correct?
what is your opinion on that?
thx for help
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As I understand it LIFUS is for trainee who have qualified on a level D sim and who were on a zero flight time type rating therefore the first time they fly the real aircraft is when they have passengers in the back. Normal line training under Part CAT does not require any EASA FCL specific training.
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A couple of points to be cleared up here:
1. When Part-FCL refers to LIFUS it does not mean the same as in Part-OPS. That would be far too sensible! It specifically refers to the first four line sectors following a zero flight time training course for a type rating, and not the rest of the Line Training, or any of the Line training if the student has completed base training circuits.
2. The rules for TRIs changed a couple of years ago. LIFUS and Base training privileges are now included in the "restricted" category provided you have done the appropriate training. There is no need for an AoC on the aircraft. The training is partly sim and partly in the aircraft. You can do the additional training as an add-on with no AoC at any time.
Apart from on the smaller single pilot types, the CAA (and EASA, although not all NAAs have implemented it yet) no longer allows unrestricted TRI courses to be offered. You need to justify it on a case by case basis, and their starting point is that since the pilot training must now be on a sim, there is no need for aircraft TRIs.
1. When Part-FCL refers to LIFUS it does not mean the same as in Part-OPS. That would be far too sensible! It specifically refers to the first four line sectors following a zero flight time training course for a type rating, and not the rest of the Line Training, or any of the Line training if the student has completed base training circuits.
2. The rules for TRIs changed a couple of years ago. LIFUS and Base training privileges are now included in the "restricted" category provided you have done the appropriate training. There is no need for an AoC on the aircraft. The training is partly sim and partly in the aircraft. You can do the additional training as an add-on with no AoC at any time.
Apart from on the smaller single pilot types, the CAA (and EASA, although not all NAAs have implemented it yet) no longer allows unrestricted TRI courses to be offered. You need to justify it on a case by case basis, and their starting point is that since the pilot training must now be on a sim, there is no need for aircraft TRIs.
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Sorry - that was the observe 2 sectors of LIFUS, followed by do 2 LIFUS sectors while being observed. The handling training/fault analysis/correction training was in the sim. Then send application off (extension of privileges) and wait ........
