Realistic sim for student navex practice
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When I did my PPL I used Microsoft FS2004 to see my calculations on the whizz wheel or max drift worked, I could never get the hang of flying the planes in the game so just used the auto pilot. I used airfields as navigation points as they seemed to show up in the right time & place… if I worked it out correctly!
Other than that the only other time I used it was practice for my IR renewal, (again using the auto pilot) drawback though is that it doesn’t reproduce the dip error which I believe RANT does.
Other than that the only other time I used it was practice for my IR renewal, (again using the auto pilot) drawback though is that it doesn’t reproduce the dip error which I believe RANT does.
Using a normal timepiece
A simple analogue timepiece is all that is required and makes additions for eta much easier to calculate.
The same people that use stopwatches when passing "eta" to ATC say "estimating XXX in Y minutes" which is incorrect and sounds unprofessional.
However when I am talking to an airport advisory service or tower I always give my time to an airport as "Y" minutes, never the time. An estimate in minutes of time rather than an hour/minute report is much more useful to ATC and other aircraft on the frequency than the time of my ETA.
Well, I always passed position reports in the standard manner - whether to en-route IFR controllers, Little Piddle-on-the-Gusset aerodrome or anyone else....
Which included ETAs.
How on earth can that be true? I hope you don't teach your students such non-standard nonsense.
Which included ETAs.
An estimate in minutes of time rather than an hour/minute report is much more useful to ATC and other aircraft on the frequency than the time of my ETA.
The purpose of the radio is to communicate useful information in the clearest and most useful way possible.
"ABC over head XXX airport in Y minutes" ; is clear and concise and doesn't require any further processing by anyone hearing it.
However I realize that answer won't satisfy the UK radio pedants but I don't care. It is the way things are done in North America, home to 50 % of the worlds GA aircraft and with the lowest accident rate per GA 100,000 hrs of any jurisdiction.
"ABC over head XXX airport in Y minutes" ; is clear and concise and doesn't require any further processing by anyone hearing it.
However I realize that answer won't satisfy the UK radio pedants but I don't care. It is the way things are done in North America, home to 50 % of the worlds GA aircraft and with the lowest accident rate per GA 100,000 hrs of any jurisdiction.
Whilst that nonsense might be good enough for people on the ground at XXX airport, every other pilot is immediately going to think "OK, so that's 6 min from now, which means 16:26".
Or, at 16:23 are they supposed to remember that the original call said 6 min, but when was that call made?
I do hope you teach your students to pass position reports in the correct manner, whether or not that's 'pedantic' to the world's sloppiest RT users....
Or, at 16:23 are they supposed to remember that the original call said 6 min, but when was that call made?
I do hope you teach your students to pass position reports in the correct manner, whether or not that's 'pedantic' to the world's sloppiest RT users....
Last edited by BEagle; 1st Jan 2014 at 16:00.
I always give my time to an airport as "Y" minutes, never the time.
ICAO Doc 9432
2.5 TRANSMISSION OF TIME
2.5.1 When transmitting time, only the minutes of the hour are normally required. However, the hour should
be included if there is any possibility of confusion.
2.5.1 When transmitting time, only the minutes of the hour are normally required. However, the hour should
be included if there is any possibility of confusion.
Listen to the RT in this Accident, its worse than the Flintstones!
Examiners are required to check that a candidate can accurately pass the time (ETA not ET) to ATC.
Last edited by Whopity; 1st Jan 2014 at 16:00.
I would agree with BPF.
Flight sims don't really prepare you for actual diversions in a GA aircraft, single pilot while having to fly S&L, speak to ATC, keep a good lookout and maintain situational awareness.
I would take a map and put some routes on then pick random diversions. Work out required tracks, distances and estimates. Being able to estimate angles and distances reasonably accurately using just your eye and thumb (mine is 9nm) can greatly reduce the stress in the cockpit.
Flight sims don't really prepare you for actual diversions in a GA aircraft, single pilot while having to fly S&L, speak to ATC, keep a good lookout and maintain situational awareness.
I would take a map and put some routes on then pick random diversions. Work out required tracks, distances and estimates. Being able to estimate angles and distances reasonably accurately using just your eye and thumb (mine is 9nm) can greatly reduce the stress in the cockpit.
