Is unpaid GA Instructing Aerial Work?
Yes there is if instruction is taking place. Be it paid, unpaid through a rto, school, club, group, ato, freelance, self employed, paye, your own aircraft, a share aircraft, a mates aircraft, anyones aircraft.
I hope this debate, which revolves around the ludicrously complicated definitions of PT and AW and the corresponding exceptions, has a shelf-life, and will sink gracefully into the PPrune archives under the EASA Ops rules.
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Can you give the reference for that bookworm that you can ignore that section of the FTL cap.
It doesn`t though it revolves round the change to the FTL schemes on transfer from a UK National AOC to a JAR OPS compliant AOC. Its been like this since I have been work as a Line pilot. If you log anything as Instructor it has to be declared and added to your FTL account.
It doesn`t though it revolves round the change to the FTL schemes on transfer from a UK National AOC to a JAR OPS compliant AOC. Its been like this since I have been work as a Line pilot. If you log anything as Instructor it has to be declared and added to your FTL account.
The CAA website contains a document titled:
SUMMARY OF THE MEANING OF COMMERCIAL AIR TRANSPORT, PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND AERIAL WORK
From that document:
So if no payment is made it is not aerial work.
SUMMARY OF THE MEANING OF COMMERCIAL AIR TRANSPORT, PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND AERIAL WORK
From that document:
3.1 Aerial work (Article 259)
3.1.1 A flight is for the purpose of aerial work if payment is made in respect of the flight or the purpose of the flight, unless the flight is in fact for the purpose of public transport (see paragraph 3.2 below).
3.1.1 A flight is for the purpose of aerial work if payment is made in respect of the flight or the purpose of the flight, unless the flight is in fact for the purpose of public transport (see paragraph 3.2 below).
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That's got nothing to do with the reporting of flight times for commercial crew which is what's under discussion.
So a reference please from FTL regs. The controlling one is the one I have quoted which is also present in subpart Q
So a reference please from FTL regs. The controlling one is the one I have quoted which is also present in subpart Q
Look at it another way, what rule says that a private flight counts towards FTL? If you commute to work in your light aeroplane instead of a car, will that count towards you FTL because it has exactly the same legal status as a non remunerated instructional flight in the candidate's aeroplane.
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If the plane is under 1600kg then you don't have to count it, if its over that you do.
Its all in the FTL regulations including that instructional flights of any form are counted as aerial work in powered aircraft.
Its all in the FTL regulations including that instructional flights of any form are counted as aerial work in powered aircraft.
The answer is in the passage you yourself quote, mad_jock
There is nothing that suggests that flying instruction where no valuable consideration is given specifically for flying instruction is considered aerial work.
Where?
except for flying in aircraft not exceeding 1,600 kg
maximum weight and not flying for the purpose of public transport or aerial work.
Aerial work includes flying instruction for which the pilot is remunerated. It is also
aerial work where valuable consideration is given specifically for flying instruction,
even if the pilot receives no reward.
maximum weight and not flying for the purpose of public transport or aerial work.
Aerial work includes flying instruction for which the pilot is remunerated. It is also
aerial work where valuable consideration is given specifically for flying instruction,
even if the pilot receives no reward.
The controlling one is the one I have quoted which is also present in subpart Q
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even if the pilot receives no reward.
And if your not putting any "work" into instructing you shouldn't be instructing.
MJ You are referring to the Physics definition of Work; Force x Displacement whereas the law refers to a legal definition which requires remuneration and/or payment or valuable consideration. There being none, there is no Work! Eating you breakfast, driving the car or having a constitutional are all work in the physical sense.
