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Old 19th Nov 2013, 15:31
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ME IR priviledges

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Under JAR there was a specific sentence stating that if you held a ME IR you could fly both ME and SE aircraft under IFR.

There is no equivalent legislation in Annex I to Aircrew Regulation. This is also further confused as the IR's on my licence have different expirys.

Are we no longer using the SPA ME IR to cover both classes?
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Old 19th Nov 2013, 17:02
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There is no equivalent legislation in Annex I to Aircrew Regulation.
Go to Appendix 8 and read Table A
SP ME class rating, operated as single-pilot Cross credited to:
SE class and type rating, and
SP ME class, and
SP ME non-high performance complex aeroplane type rating
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That's what I was hoping for although the cross credit is only valid if you complete a prof check and since I revalidate by experience it's not possible.

Also my dates are too far apart. The SE IR would have expired before I had chance to do the prof check and apply for cross credit.
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the cross credit is only valid if you complete a prof check
Thats the only way you can revalidate an IR! If you revalidate it on a ME Class, it is valid on a SE Class as stated. If you had a Certificate for ME IR then that overides any SE one you had. Revalidating a SEP Class by experience has no bearing on the IR validity.
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No but if you read the regulations (as my competent authority do) you cross credit the IR part of a proficiency check.

So with a MPA IR I can cross credit the SPA ME IR and complete section 6 of the MEP class prof check, but due to revalidating the SEP by experience I am not permitted to claim cross credit as I am not completing a prof check on the SEP class.

That is the word from the authority....
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Your original post did not specify MP IR you simply refered to ME and SE privileges, so I assumed you were referring only to SPA.
There is a table in Standards Doc 14 Appendix 3 providing the CAA's interpretation.
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Revalidating the SEP by experience has nothing to do with the cross credit of the IR. If you have been credit IR SPA ME privileges then it automatically transfers to the other classes already listed earlier.
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Not according to the IAA.

The cross credit is for the IR part of a proficiency check (read class rating PC).
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Not according to the IAA.
Then change your State of licence issue!
The cross credit is for the IR part of a proficiency check
Indeed but, an IR proficiency check does not have to be combined with a class rating proficiency check!
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Not possible the people that pay me only accept IAA licences.
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Not possible the people that pay me only accept IAA licences.
Then either raise a non compliance on the IAA with EASA or learn to jump through the hoops they want......

One of my many reasons for swearing I would never fly for Ryanair. O leary is way to much of a control freak.....
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To be honest with a training department of our size the extra admin for tracking briefings and paperwork for non IAA licence holders is not practical so I can see the logic.

I will talk the the Licencing department to see if I can work aroud.
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