First Solo Sign Offs

[Cobalt]

A pin is universally defined as a short, small piece of round metal with a sharp point. However, there are multiple contradictory definitions of angel in scripture as well as common use.

Hence, the number of angels that can dance on a pin is a matter of great debate, with no definitive outcome.

The practical solution to all this is that a supervised flight is what the supervising instructor signs off as a supervised flight, applying judgement and common sense, and accept that judgement might differ in individual cases rather than asking for ever more detailed, definitive regulation, guidance etc.... the evidence is that judgement and common sense of the regulator tends to be a lot worse in practice than the same exercised in the field.

[slr737]

Quick question for the FI sign off sheet.

Air exercice 14 is the first solo that a FI(R) cannot sign.

However air exercice 15 is the Advanced turning. So what exercice number do we use for solo circuit?

I had a FI(R) refuse his FI(A) because he put 14 in the air exercice and gatwick told him that it was first solo which he cannot do. Yeah of course. But in our school we use 14 for the first solo and then also 14 for the solo consolidation, meaning the solo circuit after the student has made is first solo under a FI(A).

So use 13 for circuit (which is prior first solo 14) or use 14b or just write solo circuit in the air exercice number column??

thx

[Cobalt]

Solo consolidation is exercise 12/13. So after ex. 14, you have a few solo exercises 12/13; both in the student records and in the sign-off sheet.

Why would anyone would put down Ex. 14 repeatedly? It is *first* solo, there is only one per person. The only exception I can think of is if somebody starts again after a decade or so and is following the normal course.

So somebody has to fill that form in again properly...

[slr737]

It's just silly to go from exercice 14 back to 12/13.

that's why we kept 14 for everything. 14a being the first solo, then 14b would be the consolidation circuit flown solo.

sounds more logic but who am I against Gatwick...

[MrAverage]

It may seem or even be silly but you're making up exercises that don't exist.

[Whopity]

Canddidates for an EASA PPL are required to have completed the syllabus published in AMC1 FCL.210.A which states:

(xv) Exercise 12: Take-off and climb to downwind position:
(xvi) Exercise 13: Circuit, approach and landing:
(xviii) Exercise 14: First solo:

It has never been any different, so why is this difficult to follow? If you can't comply with the requirement, you should not be instructing.

[chrisbl]

CAP 804 Section 4 Part J Subpart 1 page 2 has the answer. It explicitly states no first solos. A good source of reference for every Head of Training and a document even examiners should know as well.

[nick14]

You could never have a continuation of exercises on the course. What do you class as circuit revision following nav training?

What exercises do you put down for a student that subsequently needs to revise exercises that has forgotten techniques/procedures.