Converting Lapsed FAA PPL To EASA PPL
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Converting Lapsed FAA PPL To EASA PPL
I have a chap who gained a FAA PPL four and half years ago. He's not flown since, and therefore his licence has lapsed. He has a total time of something like sixty hours.
Now back in the days of JAR and LASORS I would know what to do with him. Training as required, and pass the written exams & Skills Test. I've had a good look through CAP 804, and I can't find what I need to do with a lapsed licence. If it hadn't lapsed then it would appear that he would still have a problem because Section 4 Part Q talks about needing 100 hours total time. ???
I guess that an NPPL may well be the well forward with a view to then converting to either a LAPL or PPL.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Now back in the days of JAR and LASORS I would know what to do with him. Training as required, and pass the written exams & Skills Test. I've had a good look through CAP 804, and I can't find what I need to do with a lapsed licence. If it hadn't lapsed then it would appear that he would still have a problem because Section 4 Part Q talks about needing 100 hours total time. ???
I guess that an NPPL may well be the well forward with a view to then converting to either a LAPL or PPL.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
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FAA certificates are valid for life. The simplest way is to do training as required, then a FAA Flight Review to validate his FAA Certificate. If you're local drop me a PM if you need me to do a FAA Flight Review. That'll keep him flying to 08th April 2014. After that a validation is required to fly EASA aircraft.
Otherwise it's conversion in accordance with CAP 804, Section 4, Part Q, Subpart 2, Page 3:
If he hasn't got the 100 hours then he must comply with the Part-FCL requirements in full. However, Article 8 of the Aircrew Regulation states that the hours requirement for ground and flight training is waived if he holds an ICAO licence. (CAP 804, Section 4, Part Q, Subpart 2 Page 1). So it's the same as under JAR-FCL - training as required then written exams and a skill test.
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Otherwise it's conversion in accordance with CAP 804, Section 4, Part Q, Subpart 2, Page 3:
(2) The holder of the licence shall comply with the following minimum requirements, for the relevant aircraft category:
(a) pass a written examination in Air Law and Human Performance;
(b) pass the PPL, BPL or SPL skill test, as relevant, in accordance with Part-FCL;
(c) fulfil the requirements for the issue of the relevant class or type rating, in accordance with Subpart H;
(d) hold at least a Class 2 medical certificate, issued in accordance with Part-Medical;
(e) demonstrate that he/she has acquired language proficiency in accordance with FCL.055;
(f) have completed at least 100 hours of flight time as a pilot.
(a) pass a written examination in Air Law and Human Performance;
(b) pass the PPL, BPL or SPL skill test, as relevant, in accordance with Part-FCL;
(c) fulfil the requirements for the issue of the relevant class or type rating, in accordance with Subpart H;
(d) hold at least a Class 2 medical certificate, issued in accordance with Part-Medical;
(e) demonstrate that he/she has acquired language proficiency in accordance with FCL.055;
(f) have completed at least 100 hours of flight time as a pilot.
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Shouldn't a flight review allow him to fly until 30 April 2015? (24 calendar months)
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Thanks for that.
Goodness knows why they've decided to drag in the 100 hour requirement. So it's training as required, all seven written exams, and then the flight test. This certainly makes sense.
Goodness knows why they've decided to drag in the 100 hour requirement. So it's training as required, all seven written exams, and then the flight test. This certainly makes sense.
Article 8 of the Aircrew Regulation states that the hours requirement for ground and flight training is waived if he holds an ICAO licence.
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I find the EASA FCL conversion minima wording anything from vague through idiotic.
School would have vested interest to sell more training/time.
CAA staff may not be aware of proficiency vs what they used to allow in the past and now think as 'reasonable'. Even if they're not pilot themselves, whoever would be the one to decide. Presume in FCL dept.
School would have vested interest to sell more training/time.
CAA staff may not be aware of proficiency vs what they used to allow in the past and now think as 'reasonable'. Even if they're not pilot themselves, whoever would be the one to decide. Presume in FCL dept.
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I actually sent off my first proposed syllabus today - the email the lady at the CAA told me to use was :
[email protected]
Haven't heard anything back yet - does anyone else have anything different?
[email protected]
Haven't heard anything back yet - does anyone else have anything different?
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Please don't tell me that I need to write off to the CAA with a proposed training program. If so then I have a horrible feeling that the program will be being looked at by some office worker with no experience of flight training. I've been teaching full-time (PPL/CPL/IR) for over twenty years. If I can't be trusted to make sure that a person has sufficient training to be a safe and competent pilot then I should probably give up and get a job doing something else.
From the outside the CAA appear to have completely lost the plot. The new time scale for taking PPL written exams is ludicrous, and having to ask permission to conduct individual flight tests appears to be bonkers. What in the world is going on? Will we still be able to work in a years time, or will we have all been crushed in a mountain of paperwork?
From the outside the CAA appear to have completely lost the plot. The new time scale for taking PPL written exams is ludicrous, and having to ask permission to conduct individual flight tests appears to be bonkers. What in the world is going on? Will we still be able to work in a years time, or will we have all been crushed in a mountain of paperwork?
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I've forwarded my original email to this address.... [email protected]
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Don't hold your breath...
I asked a question back in mid March and am still awaiting a response. I'm no longer waiting really, as I just got on with it and had the problem resolved in a different manner.
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I have had a reply from the CAA. They tell me that I can't convert a FAA licence that isn't current. I'm told that my chap can continue his training once he's renewed his FAA licence.
I think that ifitaintboeing tried to tell me this right at the beginning of this thread.
I think that ifitaintboeing tried to tell me this right at the beginning of this thread.
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Crap - I actually knew that answer as it has to be current for the IR conversion - sorry.
There's quite a few FAA CFIs in Denmark - and there's the odd one or two in the UK.
There's quite a few FAA CFIs in Denmark - and there's the odd one or two in the UK.