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Page 3 of Part-FCL
No one seems to be saying this is not applicable. Indeed there are
"celebrations" that plain, UK Issued, JAA PPL holders have now lost the
restrictions (>3km Viz & In sight of surface) imposed upon them by
the UK CAA - even if they haven't yet physically replaced their licence.
Page 3 of Part-FCL
The CAA issued Examiner authorisations therefore, by law, they must now
be deemed to be EASA Examiner Certificates.
It does not matter that the IMC is a National Rating. It is the fact that
Examiner privileges are now governed by Part-FCL.
The only exceptions that I can think of are:
a) An Examiner Authorisation attched to a non-JAR-compliant Licence
b) An Examiner Authorisation attached to a JAA Licence which was issued
between 08 April 2012 and 10 September 2012 (last day CAA issued JAA Licences)
And to allow these exceptions you need to ignore Stnds Doc 21 and
IN-2012/157 which were issued by the CAA - the same body which
authorises UK Examiners
Examiners
Does it not say on your "Certificate":
"This authorisation.............is subject to the terms and conditions
set out in.............Standards Document 21" ?
This must surely mean the latest, most up to date, version of Stnds Doc 21 - not least
because it also says "This authorisation is valid until DD/MM/YYYY unless previously
revoked, suspended or varied" - and the introduction of EASA has varied it.
Ex Oggie you are correct, but I cannot find any.
I have asked for, and await someone to Post, any reference that says it is possible.
Article4
Existing national pilots’ licences
1. JAR-compliant licences issued or recognised by a Member State before 8 April 2012 shall be deemed to have been issued in accordance with this Regulation. Member States shall replace these licences with licences complying with the format laid down in Part-ARA by 8 April 2017 at the latest.
Existing national pilots’ licences
1. JAR-compliant licences issued or recognised by a Member State before 8 April 2012 shall be deemed to have been issued in accordance with this Regulation. Member States shall replace these licences with licences complying with the format laid down in Part-ARA by 8 April 2017 at the latest.
"celebrations" that plain, UK Issued, JAA PPL holders have now lost the
restrictions (>3km Viz & In sight of surface) imposed upon them by
the UK CAA - even if they haven't yet physically replaced their licence.
Page 3 of Part-FCL
Article2
Definitions
For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions shall apply:
(4) ‘JAR-compliant licence’ means the pilot licence and attached ratings, certificates, authorisations and/or qualifications, issued or recognised, in accordance with the national legislation reflecting JAR and procedures, by a Member State having implemented the relevant JAR and having being recommended for mutual recognition within theJoint Aviation Authorities’ system in relation to such JAR;
Definitions
For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions shall apply:
(4) ‘JAR-compliant licence’ means the pilot licence and attached ratings, certificates, authorisations and/or qualifications, issued or recognised, in accordance with the national legislation reflecting JAR and procedures, by a Member State having implemented the relevant JAR and having being recommended for mutual recognition within theJoint Aviation Authorities’ system in relation to such JAR;
be deemed to be EASA Examiner Certificates.
It does not matter that the IMC is a National Rating. It is the fact that
Examiner privileges are now governed by Part-FCL.
The only exceptions that I can think of are:
a) An Examiner Authorisation attched to a non-JAR-compliant Licence
b) An Examiner Authorisation attached to a JAA Licence which was issued
between 08 April 2012 and 10 September 2012 (last day CAA issued JAA Licences)
And to allow these exceptions you need to ignore Stnds Doc 21 and
IN-2012/157 which were issued by the CAA - the same body which
authorises UK Examiners
Examiners
Does it not say on your "Certificate":
"This authorisation.............is subject to the terms and conditions
set out in.............Standards Document 21" ?
This must surely mean the latest, most up to date, version of Stnds Doc 21 - not least
because it also says "This authorisation is valid until DD/MM/YYYY unless previously
revoked, suspended or varied" - and the introduction of EASA has varied it.
You arn't looking for where it says you can test students you have trained
I have asked for, and await someone to Post, any reference that says it is possible.
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The instructor already signs off one approach during the course, and this, arguably, wouldn't be allowed to happen under Part-FCL regulations.
statement of successful course completion.
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Given the previous vigorous debate I am a little disappointed that no one
responded to my Post of 3rd March.
Don't know whether you all now agree or simply cannot be bothered
to debate with a lone hold out.
For the avoidance of doubt:
CAA FLIGHT EXAMINERS HANDBOOK 2012
Supplement 2 Page S2-1
responded to my Post of 3rd March.
Don't know whether you all now agree or simply cannot be bothered
to debate with a lone hold out.
For the avoidance of doubt:
CAA FLIGHT EXAMINERS HANDBOOK 2012
Supplement 2 Page S2-1
SUPPLEMENT - NATIONAL LICENCES AND RATINGS
6. Miscellaneous Information
6.1. Who Can Test. With the exception of skill tests for microlight privileges, examiners carrying
out skill tests for the issue of National licences and ratings shall not test applicants to whom
they have given instruction for the qualification applied for.
6. Miscellaneous Information
6.1. Who Can Test. With the exception of skill tests for microlight privileges, examiners carrying
out skill tests for the issue of National licences and ratings shall not test applicants to whom
they have given instruction for the qualification applied for.
