CRI vs FI Privelages?
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But similarly, before signing off somebody's tailwheel differences it would be nice to send them off for a few solo circuits before finishing off.
Last edited by foxmoth; 26th Jun 2012 at 19:42.
The student flying on an instructors licence thing is an urban myth - they fly under the ANO Article 52 exemption, which as discussed does need to be as directed by an FI not a CRI.
I have very mixed feelings about CRIs, I know some very experienced and capable ones but have also flown with several who wouldn't even pass a PPL skills test and whose instructional ability was frankly dire. I think a lot of it comes down to how much they do / how current they are and how they are mentored.
I have very mixed feelings about CRIs, I know some very experienced and capable ones but have also flown with several who wouldn't even pass a PPL skills test and whose instructional ability was frankly dire. I think a lot of it comes down to how much they do / how current they are and how they are mentored.
I've flown with good and bad instructors of all flavours, civil and military, through the 23 years or so that I've been flying. Why should CRIs be any different? I have generally however found that instructors with a lot of flying experience have more to teach me - which seems hardly surprising.
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Quick question Genghis,
You said that 'I can however, unlike an FI(R), work without direct supervision of an FI, and do biennial instructor flights.'
Do you mean that an FI(R) cannot do biennial instructor flights? I was always under the impression that the only requirement for a biennial instructor flight is that it is a flight of an hour or more in duration with an instructor? (which is ludicrous as there is no content requirements although the signature in logbook does somewhat get around this)
Does it matter whether or not they are restricted in terms of offering this instructor hour?
You said that 'I can however, unlike an FI(R), work without direct supervision of an FI, and do biennial instructor flights.'
Do you mean that an FI(R) cannot do biennial instructor flights? I was always under the impression that the only requirement for a biennial instructor flight is that it is a flight of an hour or more in duration with an instructor? (which is ludicrous as there is no content requirements although the signature in logbook does somewhat get around this)
Does it matter whether or not they are restricted in terms of offering this instructor hour?
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A restricted can do it.
Although to be honest what they can honestly add to a 1000hour PPL pilot is beyond me.
I know when I was doing them before I had hit triple figures instructing I was the one doing most of the learning not the alleged student.
Although to be honest what they can honestly add to a 1000hour PPL pilot is beyond me.
I know when I was doing them before I had hit triple figures instructing I was the one doing most of the learning not the alleged student.
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You said that 'I can however, unlike an FI(R), work without direct supervision of an FI, and do biennial instructor flights.'
Do you mean that an FI(R) cannot do biennial instructor flights? I was always under the impression that the only requirement for a biennial instructor flight is that it is a flight of an hour or more in duration with an instructor? (which is ludicrous as there is no content requirements although the signature in logbook does somewhat get around this)
Does it matter whether or not they are restricted in terms of offering this instructor hour?
Do you mean that an FI(R) cannot do biennial instructor flights? I was always under the impression that the only requirement for a biennial instructor flight is that it is a flight of an hour or more in duration with an instructor? (which is ludicrous as there is no content requirements although the signature in logbook does somewhat get around this)
Does it matter whether or not they are restricted in terms of offering this instructor hour?
ie they can teach applied instrument, aero's and at night with no additional sign offs.
A CRI will not be able to teach for the LAPL as the privileges are to give instruction to licence holders for additional class and SP type ratings! The requirements for the FI(LAPL) will be far more comprehensive than the CRI course.
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To answer the original question:
CRI privileges are embedded within the privileges of a FI, therefore a FI may conduct any training for which a CRI holds the privilege.
The only exception being if the FI is restricted, then there is benefit in also holding a CRI so that supervision is not required if training licence holders within the privileges of that CRI.
Are there things that being a CRI gives you that a full FI cannot do?
The only exception being if the FI is restricted, then there is benefit in also holding a CRI so that supervision is not required if training licence holders within the privileges of that CRI.
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FI can;t instruct at night unless they have the restriction removed be it with a a all ready qualified pilot or not a CRI can fly fly with a none current qualified pilot.
Same with applied instruments
So The FI doesn't quite have the same automatic rights that a CRI has.
Same with applied instruments
So The FI doesn't quite have the same automatic rights that a CRI has.
MJ From the latest regulation
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CRI
I don't see any privilege for a CRI to give night or instrument instruction!
FCL.900 Instructor certificates
(a) General. A person shall only carry out:
(1) flight instruction in aircraft when he/she holds:
(i) a pilot licence issued or accepted in accordance with this Regulation;
(ii) an instructor certificate appropriate to the instruction given, issued in accordance with this Subpart;
(a) General. A person shall only carry out:
(1) flight instruction in aircraft when he/she holds:
(i) a pilot licence issued or accepted in accordance with this Regulation;
(ii) an instructor certificate appropriate to the instruction given, issued in accordance with this Subpart;
FCL.905.FI
The privileges of an FI are to conduct flight instruction for the issue, revalidation or renewal of:
(a) a PPL and LAPL in the appropriate aircraft category;
(b) class and type ratings for single-pilot, single-engine aircraft, except for single-pilot high performance complex aeroplanes;
(e) the night rating, provided that the FI:
(1) is qualified to fly at night in the appropriate aircraft category;
(2) has demonstrated the ability to instruct at night to an FI qualified in accordance with (i) below(f) a towing or aerobatic rating, provided that such privileges are held and the FI has demonstrated the ability to instruct for that rating to an FI qualified in accordance with (i) below;
(g) an IR in the appropriate aircraft category, provided that the FI has:
(1) at least 200 hours of flight time under IFR, of which up to 50 hours may be instrument ground time in an FFS, an FTD 2/3 or FNPT II;
(2) completed as a student pilot the IRI training course and has passed an assessment of competence for the IRI certificate;
The privileges of an FI are to conduct flight instruction for the issue, revalidation or renewal of:
(a) a PPL and LAPL in the appropriate aircraft category;
(b) class and type ratings for single-pilot, single-engine aircraft, except for single-pilot high performance complex aeroplanes;
(e) the night rating, provided that the FI:
(1) is qualified to fly at night in the appropriate aircraft category;
(2) has demonstrated the ability to instruct at night to an FI qualified in accordance with (i) below(f) a towing or aerobatic rating, provided that such privileges are held and the FI has demonstrated the ability to instruct for that rating to an FI qualified in accordance with (i) below;
(g) an IR in the appropriate aircraft category, provided that the FI has:
(1) at least 200 hours of flight time under IFR, of which up to 50 hours may be instrument ground time in an FFS, an FTD 2/3 or FNPT II;
(2) completed as a student pilot the IRI training course and has passed an assessment of competence for the IRI certificate;
FCL.905.CRI CRI — Privileges and conditions
(a) The privileges of a CRI are to instruct for:
(1) the issue, revalidation or renewal of a class or type rating for non-complex non-high performance single-pilot aeroplanes, when the privileges sought by the applicant are to fly in single-pilot operations;
(2) a towing or aerobatic rating for the aeroplane category, provided the CRI holds the relevant rating and has demonstrated the ability to instruct for that rating to an FI qualified in accordance with FCL.905.FI(i).
(a) The privileges of a CRI are to instruct for:
(1) the issue, revalidation or renewal of a class or type rating for non-complex non-high performance single-pilot aeroplanes, when the privileges sought by the applicant are to fly in single-pilot operations;
(2) a towing or aerobatic rating for the aeroplane category, provided the CRI holds the relevant rating and has demonstrated the ability to instruct for that rating to an FI qualified in accordance with FCL.905.FI(i).
Whopity, I agree. EASA part-FCL seems to have restricted the CRI Rating so that it more accurately reflects its original intent.
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Opps just reread it.
That tightens it up alot when they actually bring it in.
Also seems now that FI cans do none intial rating flights at night for pax currency.
Currently though the CRI can teach at night and applied instruments and I know a couple that have had a fair few night hours out of getting folk current again.
That tightens it up alot when they actually bring it in.
Also seems now that FI cans do none intial rating flights at night for pax currency.
Currently though the CRI can teach at night and applied instruments and I know a couple that have had a fair few night hours out of getting folk current again.
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Currently though the CRI can teach at night and applied instruments
The privileges of the holder of a CRI(SPA) rating are to instruct licence holders for the issue of a type or class rating for single-pilot aeroplanes.
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Both CRI and FI can conduct training for issue/revalidation/renewal of a class rating; this HAS to include recurrent training and differences training within a class rating such as retractable or VP prop.
Otherwise, NOBODY would be allowed to instruct for this, making things a bit difficult... because recurrent training and differences training are not mentioned anywhere in instructor privileges.
So the real question is - can any of the above training for issue/revalidation/renewal be legally conducted at night by a CRI [or an FI with the no night instruction]? As long as it is not for the issue of a night rating, there is nothing in the regulations prohibiting this...
Otherwise, NOBODY would be allowed to instruct for this, making things a bit difficult... because recurrent training and differences training are not mentioned anywhere in instructor privileges.
So the real question is - can any of the above training for issue/revalidation/renewal be legally conducted at night by a CRI [or an FI with the no night instruction]? As long as it is not for the issue of a night rating, there is nothing in the regulations prohibiting this...
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Thats the way I read it as well.
And there is nothing to stop you doing it in IMC either.
If it were by the letter as quoted.
Everyone would have to do there circuits outside 90 days solo as well, as neither a FI or CRI is allowed to do this.
And there is nothing to stop you doing it in IMC either.
If it were by the letter as quoted.
Everyone would have to do there circuits outside 90 days solo as well, as neither a FI or CRI is allowed to do this.
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mad_jock,
I am not so sure about the IMC bit, though, for an IMC/IR holder - that would be training for the revalidation/renewal of an IMC rating or IR, and hence not covered.
I am not so sure about the IMC bit, though, for an IMC/IR holder - that would be training for the revalidation/renewal of an IMC rating or IR, and hence not covered.