Instructor's Pay!?
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Instructor's Pay!?
I'm currently employed by HMG flying fast pointy things. However, I'm considering future family life and will probably jump ship. I really don't fancy flying Airbus or Boeing and the life at an FTO has always appealed.
I would appreciate a ball-park figure on how much a full-time instructor can earn without being an examiner (To see whether I can afford to jump ship - and I realise it will be a pay drop!).
All info greatly appreciated
LJ
I would appreciate a ball-park figure on how much a full-time instructor can earn without being an examiner (To see whether I can afford to jump ship - and I realise it will be a pay drop!).
All info greatly appreciated
LJ
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If you were full time with one of the larger training schools, with plenty of flying, the most, as a regular instructor, you could hope to earn is approx 20,000, but probably nearer 15,000(sorry my pound key is broken). You would need to be very lucky to get that though, especially considering the present climate. But if you opted for commercial instructing, I'm sure you could make a reasonable living. Provided you could get a job. Hope this is of some use, sorry to sound so negative. I remember once being offered a contract that I felt would give me a reasonable income. Within 4 months of starting, I had gone through 2 new contracts, and accompanied lowering of salaries, which combined, put an end to that dream. Good luck and best wishes, I find it can be very satisfying most of the time.
A full time instructor on singles at a large FTO would make in the low 20's. Twin in the low 30's.
It ain't great.
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It ain't great.
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Man, Im in the wrong country!
Thats teaching commercial.
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If the FTO had to derive sufficient income from each aeroplane to pay FIs around £30K per annum, they'd need to allow about £30-£40 per hour on top of the break-even cost to do so - and that's assuming a 1:1 aircraft to FI ratio. Then add a small profit margin for the company and you'll soon work out why RFs who are trying to train PPLs cannot possibly pay such salaries and yet still attract customers with low hourly rates.
HM's pension won't make you a millionaire, so if you want to retire at 38/16 and instruct at a FTO, start saving now - or become a people-tube driver and fly GA when you get the time and inclination.
HM's pension won't make you a millionaire, so if you want to retire at 38/16 and instruct at a FTO, start saving now - or become a people-tube driver and fly GA when you get the time and inclination.
Well with OATS laying people off its not likely that you will be able to find a job in Jerez or Cranfield right now unless you have serious A2 time. Good luck though. In the coming decade there is going to be a tremendous shortage of instructors out there.
1. JAA ongoing expenses of maintaining the rating will make many people - such as myself perhaps - let my FI rating lapse never to return. In the past I might well have been tempted to do a bit on the side at the local club or cash in hand work by word of mouth.
2. The 700hr incenctive of hour builders has gone. Its a long way from 200hrs to 1000hrs and thats generally the minimum airlines want before you can teach their cadets. I cannot see PPL work getting much bigger in the next decade even with the NPPL. The big growth areas in GA are going to be the micro and ultra lights and of course those hours are not going to help as they are not GroupA aircraft...
3. Demographics. When you look around the commercial FTO's you will note the predominance of white hair. There are an awful lot of chaps instructing who came through the heydays of the military in the 1960/70's. As we all know the RAF training system has been dangerously run down over the last decade and the small number in it will have little comparative difficulty getting an airline job when they retire from Aunty Betty. The number of commercial instructors in their late twenties, thirties, early forties is small.
4. Ultimately the airline industry is going to expand like it did in the USA post de-regulation. Whereas they did it overnight we are doing it slowly, but, surely. Ryan and easyJet are both moving into Europe and my company will follow this year I am convinced. This was unthinkable only 8 years ago. When the rest of Europe gets a taste for low cost air travel then stand back and watch the industry blow. There is going to be a demand for pilots like has not been seen since the 1960's. JAA lead times are a minimum of 15 months from Effects Of Controls One through to Base Check...
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1. JAA ongoing expenses of maintaining the rating will make many people - such as myself perhaps - let my FI rating lapse never to return. In the past I might well have been tempted to do a bit on the side at the local club or cash in hand work by word of mouth.
2. The 700hr incenctive of hour builders has gone. Its a long way from 200hrs to 1000hrs and thats generally the minimum airlines want before you can teach their cadets. I cannot see PPL work getting much bigger in the next decade even with the NPPL. The big growth areas in GA are going to be the micro and ultra lights and of course those hours are not going to help as they are not GroupA aircraft...
3. Demographics. When you look around the commercial FTO's you will note the predominance of white hair. There are an awful lot of chaps instructing who came through the heydays of the military in the 1960/70's. As we all know the RAF training system has been dangerously run down over the last decade and the small number in it will have little comparative difficulty getting an airline job when they retire from Aunty Betty. The number of commercial instructors in their late twenties, thirties, early forties is small.
4. Ultimately the airline industry is going to expand like it did in the USA post de-regulation. Whereas they did it overnight we are doing it slowly, but, surely. Ryan and easyJet are both moving into Europe and my company will follow this year I am convinced. This was unthinkable only 8 years ago. When the rest of Europe gets a taste for low cost air travel then stand back and watch the industry blow. There is going to be a demand for pilots like has not been seen since the 1960's. JAA lead times are a minimum of 15 months from Effects Of Controls One through to Base Check...
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LJ,
You may consider airline flying and keep applying for a training appointment within your airline.
Promotion times to LHS vary but some outfits have training F/Os
(known, I believe, in BA, as The Hitler Youth!)
Bon chance
You may consider airline flying and keep applying for a training appointment within your airline.
Promotion times to LHS vary but some outfits have training F/Os
(known, I believe, in BA, as The Hitler Youth!)
Bon chance
