King Air 200 on a PPL?
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If the plane is operated privately there are NO rules as to who goes in front right seat, as long as front left seat is occupied by a licensed pilot.
He can place his 2 year old daughter, or a 100.000 hours airline pilot in right seat. None of them can log any hours anyway. The person in the front right is considered a passenger and that's it.
So safety wise he could bring along an experienced pilot and place him/her in the right seat. That would be a very good idea indeed, and many privately owned company planes use this model. (owner flies / experienced pilot tags along as pax)
But - again - only the PIC can log hours. If he wants multicrew, that can be done, but requires CPL/ATPL.
He can place his 2 year old daughter, or a 100.000 hours airline pilot in right seat. None of them can log any hours anyway. The person in the front right is considered a passenger and that's it.
So safety wise he could bring along an experienced pilot and place him/her in the right seat. That would be a very good idea indeed, and many privately owned company planes use this model. (owner flies / experienced pilot tags along as pax)
But - again - only the PIC can log hours. If he wants multicrew, that can be done, but requires CPL/ATPL.
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So the experienced pilot who tags along as pax is not a required member of the flight crew therefore is a passenger therefore may not accept remuneration as flight crew, FI or otherwise, therefore does not need a current licence and/or medical...?
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If a 'safety pilot' is really required on an SPA BE200 why not operate the aircraft 'multi-crew' and be done with it?
Personally I don't see what the issue of someone wanting to fly an SPA taking along a safety pilot for comfort, company or whatever. If they are acting as a safety pilot then you would assume they can or would want to be able to actually fly the thing so would want to be rated.
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The 'safety pilot' is legally allowed to be there as a passenger and be paid for his/her services as long as they hold the relevant licence. Personally I would be very happy to sit there and get paid a daily rate for my time. I have no need to log the hours, and know a number of people who would be happy to operate on the same basis.
To point out also, you can operate the King Air as a multi crew operation. A number of UK companies do this and have the agreement signed off by the CAA. That used to be a simple issue with both pilots being rated and company SOP's used. Under EASA is appears that is not going to be so simple in the future, as it is expected that the P1 in such a multi crew operation will need a full ATPL, which will require a multi crew type rating and such type ATPL LPC completed. For the situation I am looking at, that would not work as the prospective P1 does not hold, nor wants a CPL/ATPL.
To point out also, you can operate the King Air as a multi crew operation. A number of UK companies do this and have the agreement signed off by the CAA. That used to be a simple issue with both pilots being rated and company SOP's used. Under EASA is appears that is not going to be so simple in the future, as it is expected that the P1 in such a multi crew operation will need a full ATPL, which will require a multi crew type rating and such type ATPL LPC completed. For the situation I am looking at, that would not work as the prospective P1 does not hold, nor wants a CPL/ATPL.
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Don't see why a pilot should need to hold a CPL/ATPL to have a type rating on a multi crew aeroplane. He/she would of course need to do MCC, the type rating course and probably additional theoretical exams which might make it more trouble than it's worth but not mipossible. I'm not fully up to speed with Part NCC so tere may be more to it but under JAR FCL it should be possible (he'd have to get a move on!!).
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Coming back to this. I am pretty sure that the King Air is classed as a SP HPCA under EASA rules and reading into those rules it states that for someone to hold an SP HPCA type rating they must meet the requirements for a Multi Engine IR(A). There is also a requirement for supervised operating experience (SOE) for inexperienced pilots gaining their first SP HPCA type rating.
Contrast with the US: Get a PPL-MEL in anything eg Duchess + complex & high performance endorsements (often as a result of the MEL) and then *legally* you could go fly something like a Kingair 200. You must be familiar with normal & emergency procedures. A high altitude endorsement too although that may not be mandatory if you stay below FL250.
Good luck getting insurance coverage though...
Good luck getting insurance coverage though...
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You need a CPL or ATPL to get an MCC.. It cannot be done on a PPL..
At least that's what people are telling me. I have yet to find the paragraph. Please post if you find it.
You need a CPL or ATPL to get an MCC.. It cannot be done on a PPL..
At least that's what people are telling me. I have yet to find the paragraph. Please post if you find it.
You need a CPL or ATPL to get an MCC.. It cannot be done on a PPL.
You do need to have passed the ATPL exams to obtain a multi-pilot aeroplane type rating but you do not need to hold a professional licence.
