Instructing in a group owned aircraft
The plane is already being used for IMC courses using flying club instructors for other group members.
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If you have been teaching unsupervised you need to be concerned. Those hours are not loggable by you and more importantly not by your students. It sounds like you have been doing trial lessons amongst a number of things? For a trial lesson to be legal it has to be toward the issue of a licence even if the student never takes up the test of the course. The restriction on your FI requires you to be supervised by an approved person.
It the risk of being harsh, you really should know all of this stuff.
A restricted FI is pretty much a waste of time for operating outside an RTF/FTO. The rules will have been made clear when you were trained.
I think you may have made a bit of a rod for your back here...
It the risk of being harsh, you really should know all of this stuff.
A restricted FI is pretty much a waste of time for operating outside an RTF/FTO. The rules will have been made clear when you were trained.
I think you may have made a bit of a rod for your back here...
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I have done about 60 hours instructing:- ppl holder friends and ex 4a/b to friends/family.
As to instructing PPL holding friends, again if they didn't pay for the instruction (within your group) and they were entitled to be pilot in command anyway, there's no problem. The only issue may be if you did the hour with an instructor, for class rating revalidation by experience, you'd need to be supervised by an approved FI for that. However, it's all done now and does anyone think the revalidating examiner or CAA really dig that deep into the exact circumstances of the instructor who signed the dual flight.
This is a really interesting thread in the context of the several people (both here and in real life) who have quite strongly queried why I "only" did the CRI qualification rather than a full FI(R) course !
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Absolutely Ghenghis. The CRI often gets scorn poured on it by 'proper' FIs when in fact for someone operating outside of ab-initio school training it is an immensely useful and practical rating.
Having come through the CRI SE/ME and IRI before FI I can say that everything I do these days can pretty much be covered by the CRI privileges including most examine tasks.
There are no supervision restrictions on the CRI for a start and the bulk of training work you encounter outside of a school is refresher, differences and 2 year flights which are all ably handled by thr CRI.
The only reason I did mine was for a job as Head of Training that on reality does did not require it either!
Having come through the CRI SE/ME and IRI before FI I can say that everything I do these days can pretty much be covered by the CRI privileges including most examine tasks.
There are no supervision restrictions on the CRI for a start and the bulk of training work you encounter outside of a school is refresher, differences and 2 year flights which are all ably handled by thr CRI.
The only reason I did mine was for a job as Head of Training that on reality does did not require it either!
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"REGISTRATION TO CONDUCT TRAINING FOR A PRIVATE
PILOT LICENCE APPLICATION/CONFIRMATION/VARIATION/
CANCELLATIONPILOT LICENCE APPLICATION/CONFIRMATION/VARIATION/
SECTION 12: INSTRUCTING STAFF
3. Those FIs who will supervise FI(R) or AFIs must be specifically nominated."
Thanks for the reference.
So, is it saying " when registering to conduct training for a PPL, you must list the supervisors of your FI(R)s on the form" ?
There must be a better official definition.
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Yes, that is what it is saying. When you register as a facility, you register the staff and the aircraft. You nominate supervising FI's who are responsible for the restricted FI's. So unless you are on an RTF and have a nominated supervising FI there is actually very little you can do with your FI(R).
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Gosh!
You really would be better instructing on a C42 or Eurostar - ie microlights!
(now ducks head)
ps. If an aircraft is owned by a ltd company - as presumably all the aircraft leased out, for example, by RBS until they sold that arm recently - then how does the "no more than 20 owners" etc rule apply. I am sure that, apart from the UK taxpayer, there are more than 19 other RBS shareholders. And there are more than 20 UK taxpayers.
ie. Can you have one ltd co as an owner and more than 20 shareholders.
You really would be better instructing on a C42 or Eurostar - ie microlights!
(now ducks head)
ps. If an aircraft is owned by a ltd company - as presumably all the aircraft leased out, for example, by RBS until they sold that arm recently - then how does the "no more than 20 owners" etc rule apply. I am sure that, apart from the UK taxpayer, there are more than 19 other RBS shareholders. And there are more than 20 UK taxpayers.
ie. Can you have one ltd co as an owner and more than 20 shareholders.
ps. If an aircraft is owned by a ltd company - as presumably all the aircraft leased out, for example, by RBS until they sold that arm recently - then how does the "no more than 20 owners" etc rule apply. I am sure that, apart from the UK taxpayer, there are more than 19 other RBS shareholders. And there are more than 20 UK taxpayers.
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