EASA-languages for PPL
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Very interesting info, Billiebob.
If a competent authority were to seek to restrict the state in which any of the qualifications for licence issue was gained, it would be in breach of Article 11 of the Basic Regulation.
If it's the former, then that is simply brilliant, as it would open the way to a much more efficient study system as described in my cynical post with the Hungarian example above. The only thing the bogeymen can then do is start an Article 65 procedure, which is doomed to fail provided the question database and study materials are in compliance with the learning objectives.
Long live the "Budapesten Repülés Földön Iskola"
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Would you read that as"Theoretical Exam Results" ?
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Since when were PPL exams taken in one JAA state ever valid in another?
In 2010 we had a Polish student, who'd been working locally for several years commence a PPL course with us. He completed all the theoretical exams and some flying training, following this he couldn't agree ongoing terms with his employer, so went back to Poland.
Shortly after this, I had an email from Gatwick, requesting confirmation of his exam dates, set numbers and results on behalf of the Polish CAA, as he was continuing his PPL in Poland, I believed that they were going to accept his UK theory passes for a Polish issued JAA-PPL(A).
As it happened, he didn't much like the training environment back home and came back to complete his PPL with us.
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BillieBob,
Further to my comment concerning an EASA proposal which I believed meant that the NAA that issues a flight crew licence must be the same one which issued the initial medical, I note with interest the following which has appeared on Oxford Aviation Academy's forum:
ask.oxfordaviation.net • View topic - IMPORTANT: EASA Regulations Notice
Further to my comment concerning an EASA proposal which I believed meant that the NAA that issues a flight crew licence must be the same one which issued the initial medical, I note with interest the following which has appeared on Oxford Aviation Academy's forum:
ask.oxfordaviation.net • View topic - IMPORTANT: EASA Regulations Notice
EASA Regulations Notice for Oxford Aviation Academy Students
The following guidance applies to current or prospective OAA students whose initial Class 1 Medical Certificate was issued by an EU state other than the UK excluding:
If you plan to enrol on a CPL/IR or MPL course with OAA, and you have not already obtained a Class 1 Medical Certificate, we recommend that you obtain a UK CAA issued Initial Class 1 Medical Certificate from the Aeromedical Centre at Gatwick. The UK will become your state of license issue and our Flight Examiners can conduct your Licence Skills Tests.
Current students holding a Class 1 Medical Certificate from an EASA Member State other than the UK, have the following options:
The following guidance applies to current or prospective OAA students whose initial Class 1 Medical Certificate was issued by an EU state other than the UK excluding:
- • Those who will obtain their CPL/IR or MPL by 30th June 2012
• Modular MCC students
- • Under EASA, pilots who have their aviation medical records held in another country (following initial Class 1 Medical issue) will not become UK licence holders - even if they are training at a school located in the UK.
• Both Initial and Licence Renewal/Revalidation Testing is the responsibility of the Authority of the State that issued the student’s initial Class 1 medical and holds their medical records.
• Under EASA, flight examiners can work anywhere, but they have a personal responsibility to inform the State of Licence Issue of the student of their intent to conduct a test, be briefed by that Authority and receive approval from them to conduct the test.
• The UK CAA will not refuse to test EU students - but they cannot determine who will test them as it is up to the authority that holds their medical records to decide.
• The UK CAA testing service is for those students wishing to gain a UK issued EASA licence and whose medical records are held by the UK CAA.
• OAA students with an EU Class 1 medical certificate issued from a country other than the UK can go to the Aeromedical centre at Gatwick Airport to undergo a further initial examination to get a new initial Class 1 medical certificate. The CAA would not need previous aviation medical records for that but they will charge the full initial medical fee of Ł341.
• Should the student decide to transfer their medical records to the UK CAA, they will be required to have the records translated into English and the student will bear the cost for this. However, if the medical forms are obtained from the UK CAA and are completed by your AME at home, then this will also be acceptable and the cost will only be in the region of Ł50 to the UK CAA, however, you will have to pay your AME for the medical renewal and he has to be able to complete the CAA document in English. This particular transfer option is only available up to 29th June; thereafter the EASA regulations take precedent (students should allow sufficient time for the ‘new’ Class 1 certificate to be issued by the UK CAA before EASA implementation!
If you plan to enrol on a CPL/IR or MPL course with OAA, and you have not already obtained a Class 1 Medical Certificate, we recommend that you obtain a UK CAA issued Initial Class 1 Medical Certificate from the Aeromedical Centre at Gatwick. The UK will become your state of license issue and our Flight Examiners can conduct your Licence Skills Tests.
Current students holding a Class 1 Medical Certificate from an EASA Member State other than the UK, have the following options:
- 1. Attend a new Initial Class 1 Medical Examination with the UK CAA at Gatwick Airport and obtain a CAA issued Class 1 Medical Certificate. Cost about Ł341.
2. Transfer your medical records to the UK CAA Aeromedical Centre at Gatwick Airport. The Authority that holds these records will need to agree to the transfer and they most likely will charge a fee for this service. Furthermore, the UK CAA will require that the records be translated onto English and the applicant must pay for the translation. Cost unknown.
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Quite. The requirement is that the licence is issued by the state that holds the medical records, not necessarily the one that conducted the medical examination or issued the medical certificate. It may seem like a fine point of semantics but it is on such points that the legal profession relies for its income.
It is clear that, in a number of areas, the UK CAA's understanding of the law differs markedly from that of EASA and has not yet understood that it is the latter that holds the whip hand.
It is clear that, in a number of areas, the UK CAA's understanding of the law differs markedly from that of EASA and has not yet understood that it is the latter that holds the whip hand.
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Indeed. One wonders in the case of these OAA students what the cost for translating a medical report from, say, French into English is going to be and how much the DGAC will levy for the transfer.
Starting again and paying the Ł341 medical fee at Gatwick may end up being the most economic route.
Starting again and paying the Ł341 medical fee at Gatwick may end up being the most economic route.
