NPPL query
Beagle as I recall it the original purpose of the NPPL, as put forward by AOPA, long before any industry committee was formed, was to invigourate the flying training industry by getting more students through the doors of the flying clubs by introducing a simpler cheaper PPL. This followed AOPAs previous epic of convincing the JAA that the PPL was the first module in a modular ATPL; and should therefore by incorporated into JAR-FCL! Which was not the original intention.
What we finished up with was a licence that enables people to fly with a reduced medical requirement. There has been minimal take up at the ab-initio level and I have yet to see anyone who has acquired a NPPL in the minimum hours (i.e. cheaper) The statistics were carefully arranged so as to reveal no meaningful figures!
The industry committee did not emerge untill the Microlights and SLMGs were unnecessarily dragged into the equation, and AOPA had largely given up. If they had followed the simple route in the first place, there would have been no need to generate additional legislation and consequently no opportunity to cock anything up.
What we finished up with was a licence that enables people to fly with a reduced medical requirement. There has been minimal take up at the ab-initio level and I have yet to see anyone who has acquired a NPPL in the minimum hours (i.e. cheaper) The statistics were carefully arranged so as to reveal no meaningful figures!
The industry committee did not emerge untill the Microlights and SLMGs were unnecessarily dragged into the equation, and AOPA had largely given up. If they had followed the simple route in the first place, there would have been no need to generate additional legislation and consequently no opportunity to cock anything up.
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Thanks all, but I'm still slightly confused (it doesn't take much 
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The chap's specific situation:
His PPL(A) expires on 6/July/10 and the associated SEPL rating expires 16/June/10. His NPPL was issued in March/2003 and the associated SSEA rating expired in March/2004. He does not have a JAA medical. He has not yet met all the renewal experience requirements.
Whopity said "On the basis of a valid SEP rating all he needs is to have done his hour with an Instructor and 12 hours experience in the last 24 months. No need for a test. ..." but to my simple brain, if the NPPL rating has lapsed it needs renewing and renewal needs a test (unless he can successfully appeal to the CAA with the one-off logic of his case, as suggested by BEagle). I bounced this off another local examiner who agreed with me that an NPPL GST was needed.
HFD
)The chap's specific situation:
His PPL(A) expires on 6/July/10 and the associated SEPL rating expires 16/June/10. His NPPL was issued in March/2003 and the associated SSEA rating expired in March/2004. He does not have a JAA medical. He has not yet met all the renewal experience requirements.
Whopity said "On the basis of a valid SEP rating all he needs is to have done his hour with an Instructor and 12 hours experience in the last 24 months. No need for a test. ..." but to my simple brain, if the NPPL rating has lapsed it needs renewing and renewal needs a test (unless he can successfully appeal to the CAA with the one-off logic of his case, as suggested by BEagle). I bounced this off another local examiner who agreed with me that an NPPL GST was needed.
HFD
Whopity, your recollection of the NPPL's genesis is incorrect.
HFD, as I said, the chap has been in current flying practice because he has a parallel JAR-FCL PPL even though he let his NPPL SSEA rating lapse. Thus the 'basic' NPPL SSEA renewal requirements are illogical in his case.
Tell him to revalidate the SEP Class rating before 16 Jun 10 and send the SRG\1119 to the CAA, together with the NPPL, and ask for the SSEA Class Rating to be renewed.
If he isn't going to meet SEP Class Rating revalidation requirements except by LPC, then he might as well just fly a SSEA Class Rating GST and forget his JAR-FCL SEP Class Rating.
HFD, as I said, the chap has been in current flying practice because he has a parallel JAR-FCL PPL even though he let his NPPL SSEA rating lapse. Thus the 'basic' NPPL SSEA renewal requirements are illogical in his case.
Tell him to revalidate the SEP Class rating before 16 Jun 10 and send the SRG\1119 to the CAA, together with the NPPL, and ask for the SSEA Class Rating to be renewed.
If he isn't going to meet SEP Class Rating revalidation requirements except by LPC, then he might as well just fly a SSEA Class Rating GST and forget his JAR-FCL SEP Class Rating.
Whopity, your recollection of the NPPL's genesis is incorrect.
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I understand that UK and JAR FCL PPL with SEP class ratings can revalidate or renew by experience or test on a medical declaration provided that the examiner enters the rating as SSEA and not SEP (which requires a JAR FCL medical certificate).
The UK/JAR FCL PPL then sends the NPPL rating addition application to the CAA PLD with a fee of £37.
The prcedure is stated in AN Amendment Order.
Has anyone seen the SSEA rating used for renewing a UK/JAR FCL PPL?
The UK/JAR FCL PPL then sends the NPPL rating addition application to the CAA PLD with a fee of £37.
The prcedure is stated in AN Amendment Order.
Has anyone seen the SSEA rating used for renewing a UK/JAR FCL PPL?
You've mixed up a few aspects.
Firstly, a UK CAA-issued JAR-FCL PPL(A) cannot be re-issued (i.e. at the 5 year point) unless the applicant holds a JAA Medical Certificate.
A UK CAA-issued JAR-FCL PPL(A) may be maintained under the exemptions of ORS4 No.756 and the SEP Class Rating included therein may be revalidated or renewed exactly as under JAR-FCL (except for the medical, which restricts the privileges of the SEP Class Rating as stated in the AN document).
A pilot if he chooses, may apply to the CAA for the inclusion of a SSEA Class Rating in his licence. This will incur a fee and is NOT mandatory.
The decision as to whether to maintain the SEP Class Rating or to apply for a SSEA Class Rating rests with the pilot and his individual circumstances. Is his medical condition likely to change? How far into his 2-year period is he - and would changing to an SSEA Class Rating be financially beneficial for him due to its different revalidation requirements?
Confused? A fair few people in the CAA are - but they came up with this exemption!
Firstly, a UK CAA-issued JAR-FCL PPL(A) cannot be re-issued (i.e. at the 5 year point) unless the applicant holds a JAA Medical Certificate.
A UK CAA-issued JAR-FCL PPL(A) may be maintained under the exemptions of ORS4 No.756 and the SEP Class Rating included therein may be revalidated or renewed exactly as under JAR-FCL (except for the medical, which restricts the privileges of the SEP Class Rating as stated in the AN document).
A pilot if he chooses, may apply to the CAA for the inclusion of a SSEA Class Rating in his licence. This will incur a fee and is NOT mandatory.
The decision as to whether to maintain the SEP Class Rating or to apply for a SSEA Class Rating rests with the pilot and his individual circumstances. Is his medical condition likely to change? How far into his 2-year period is he - and would changing to an SSEA Class Rating be financially beneficial for him due to its different revalidation requirements?
Confused? A fair few people in the CAA are - but they came up with this exemption!
