CRI (ME) Instruction

[Terry_flyer]

As a CRI (me) instructor can I train people on N Reg a/c in the uk? (without holding an FAA Instructors rating)

[Whopity]

Presumably you mean to train for a MEP Class rating or to do differences training. As its foreign registered, you need the permission of the DFT to conduct aerial work. That is straightforward if the training is for the owner of the aircraft; they do not grant it for third parties.

If its for a MEP class rating it also needs to be put on the FTOs list of approved aircraft as a one off.

FARs allow you to operate it in the UK on a UK licence and does not prohibit you from instructing on it, no FAA instructor rating required.

[S-Works]

I would question if you can be remunerated for it though without an FAA CPL?

[Whopity]

You only need a UK CPL to be remunerated if training for a JAA rating.

[S-Works]

I would argue that to be paid for flight in an N Reg aircraft regardless of the purpose of the flight you need an FAA CPL.......

[BillieBob]

I would argue that to be paid for flight in an N Reg aircraft regardless of the purpose of the flight you need an FAA CPL

Then you'd better argue with the FAA -

FAR 61.3
(a) Pilot certificate. No person may serve as a required pilot flight crewmember of a civil aircraft of the United States, unless that person—

(1) Has a pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization issued under this part in that person's physical possession or readily accessible in the aircraft when exercising the privileges of that pilot certificate or authorization. However, when the aircraft is operated within a foreign country, a pilot license issued by that country may be used.

[S-Works]

It may be used to fly the aircraft but not as I understand it for commercial purposes.

I am happy to be shown otherwise, but I 'aint seen anything to convince me yet.

Let's put it another way, can the holder of an FAA Commercial certificate fly a G Reg aircraft? The answer is yes, automatic validation. Can they fly it for remuneration? No.

I would wager that that if you sought an opinion from FAA council that a CPL will be required.

[Whopity]

can the holder of an FAA Commercial certificate fly a G Reg aircraft? The answer is yes, automatic validation. Can they fly it for remuneration? No.

Correct because that's what the ANO says. But FAR 61.3 does not say that.

I recall asking the question when I first wanted to do it and found nothing to prohibit it. As you are not training for a FAA licence they are not concerned.
I have seen an official FAA opinion from the Washington Office that even accepted it in the USA.

[S-Works]

Whereas I have seen official statement from New York stating and remunerated flight requires an FAA CPL (and IR if meeting the criteria for land away etc.)

Now that demonstrates the problem with us trying to put our own spin on he FAR's. Personally I consider it too grey an area to try and play with which is why I make sure my FAA CPL is current when doing it.

[BillieBob]

Whereas I have seen official statement from New York stating and remunerated flight requires an FAA CPL

Then please give us a reference for this in an official publication. If you are unable to do so, whilst you are at libery to believe whatever you wish, your statement has no value.

Now that demonstrates the problem with us trying to put our own spin on he FAR's.

FAR 61.3 is absolutely unequivocal in stating that "when the aircraft is operated within a foreign country, a pilot license issued by that country may be used." No 'spin' is required.

[S-Works]

It is an an email from the New York FSDO Licensing Officer, as a response to a question that I raised.

I assume that does not count as 'official enough' to over ride your unequivocal interpretation of the FAR's?

So far we have a split decision.....

[Whopity]

I don't think anything is split other than opinion. The rules don't require it and in the absence of any rule to the contrary, it is not enforceable.