Should Examiners have to tolerate abusive candidates?

[Whopity]

Under the circumstances described, I would land at the nearest aerodrome, let the student out and let him make his own way home.

[B2N2]

Flight training seems to bring out the extremes in people, the best sometimes but usually the worst.
I've seen grown men cry out of frustration.
Not a pretty sight.
No need for a blacklist, who will control such a list?
Who will determine who gets on the list and why?
Probably every single one of us has flown with a jack-ass examiner, we gonna put them on a list too?
The candidate was obviously not ready and a talk with the CFI is in place.
Any well prepared candidate would not respond that way. A little idealistic maybe but I'd like to see it that way.
I remember an idiot who deserved no place in the sky, let alone in the jet he wanted to buy. He failed twice, we politely declined his business and he passed somewhere else with a "friendly" examiner. So be it, you'll never stop this "shopping around".

[BillieBob]

So be it, you'll never stop this "shopping around".

No, indeed, and it's likely to get worse. Given the idiotic EASA plan to remove examiners from the control of the NAAs, a candidate will be free to choose his examiner for any test (including initial CPL and IR Skill Tests) from anywhere in Europe. The inevitable consequence is that the only examiners that will get any business will be those with whom the candidate is most likely to pass (i.e. those who accept the lowest standards).

[DFC]

and it's likely to get worse. Given the idiotic EASA plan to remove examiners from the control of the NAAs

The EASA proposals do not remove examineers from the controls that currently apply.

What EASA does propose is lifting the current restriction on examiner numbers where NAA's prevent suitable candidates from gaining examiner qualifications simply because the number of examiners currently in the system has reached some arbitary number.

The UK has had an open system (school can book directly with examiner) for PPL level skill tests for a number of years and there is no evidence that this causes PPL standards to be lower than those acheived in other countries where skill tests must be booked via the NAA who decides which examiner will complete the test.

There is no evidence that permitting suitable industry examiners to conduct CPL and IR initial skill tests would reduce standards. The admin for booking such tests has yet to be finalised.

Anyone involved in professional flying will know that even at the Large type rating organisations there are places where the output of the TRI and TRE's is how shall we say - not quite what one would expect. There are always going to be people who you meet as a line trainer who you think "how on earth did they get this far" and when you investigate they have scraped through at every level from PPL to PIC Upgrade and somehow they have managed to get the required piece of paper and get someone to say that they "on the balance of probability won't kill themselves"!!!

It's an imperfect system at every level.

As for the school making sure that this candidate was better prepared - possible if it was an initial but since it was a renewal, we don't know the amount of the school's involvement if any in the pre-test training.

[VFE]

I would suggest contacting your local Special Branch unit (details will be available from the aerodrome or school manager). They can circulate the details to other schools in the area. We have had details of 'troubled individuals' passed to us in this way before and it seems to work in raising awareness. Can't see the CAA caring too much to be honest.

VFE.

[BillieBob]

The EASA proposals do not remove examineers from the controls that currently apply.

Yes, they do.

there is no evidence that this causes PPL standards to be lower than those acheived in other countries where skill tests must be booked via the NAA

Yes, there is.

There is no evidence that permitting suitable industry examiners to conduct CPL and IR initial skill tests would reduce standards.

Yes, there is (in the case of the CPL, at least. Industry examiners have not yet conducted sufficient initial IR Skill Tests to provide meaningful statistics).