How do you teach the use of checklist?
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hi all ..a fresher here ...
my instructor here in india had vital actions before entering the rwy and made us learn it by hard as for the checklist .... we had to learn in too!! for 172s
but as time passed he left and the new instructor did not emphasized on learning too much ,.... but the flow(say feel do) and fly***
while transitioning to multi I still remember ... after t.o it was night and when was abt to select the landing lights off... somehow luckily i saw that my fingers were on the Left Eng magnetos both L and R ....corrected my self and told him... calmy he said the same thing he always used to say ...
my instructor here in india had vital actions before entering the rwy and made us learn it by hard as for the checklist .... we had to learn in too!! for 172s
but as time passed he left and the new instructor did not emphasized on learning too much ,.... but the flow(say feel do) and fly***
while transitioning to multi I still remember ... after t.o it was night and when was abt to select the landing lights off... somehow luckily i saw that my fingers were on the Left Eng magnetos both L and R ....corrected my self and told him... calmy he said the same thing he always used to say ...
and keys on top of anti glare panel
Or how about another which reminds you to check your shoe laces are secure before stepping down from your aircraft.
Good one Centaurus. And in similar vein, WHY do so many Australian operators have: (challenge) "Takeoff Clearance" (response) "Received/Not Required" and ditto "Landing Clearance- -Received/Not required?" It's a real mouthful at a quite critical stage of the operation, i.e. entering/on the runway or on short final/approaching minima. The same checklists don't have 'Crossing Active Runway Clearance' 'Descent Clearance' etc. Or maybe the more anal ones do? All clearances are potentially critical, but can be acknowledged to the other crewmember with signals such as using landing lights, strobes, altitude alerters etc. The checklist was never intended to replace basic airmanship stuff. Whenever I hear this Received/Not Required palaver I think of "roger, Roger" in that movie 'Flying High'.
There must be some history to this for it to be so popular with so many Aussie operators. It wasn't a belated local kneejerk to Tenerife, surely? Someone must have an explanation. It's not one we can blame CASA for, as I have seen them approve some very brief checklists.
There must be some history to this for it to be so popular with so many Aussie operators. It wasn't a belated local kneejerk to Tenerife, surely? Someone must have an explanation. It's not one we can blame CASA for, as I have seen them approve some very brief checklists.
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procedures Vs checks
Small Aircraft Manufacturer usually pubblish on AFM / POM the (expanded or condensed ) "normal procedures" . To avoid any litigation they tend to include everything regardless consideration to workload and real aircraft operations 
Note : some other important procedures related to Avionic or optional installed are pubblished on separate AFM supplements, some other important requirements for operations are pubblished by Authority / Safety Organization
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Small Operators, for any eventual litigation as above (and with the acceptance of Local Autority) simply make a copy of the AFM / POM procedures and use it as a "check list", (also without any reference to such supplements for optional installed or operations requirements)
Result is high workload , confusion between DO and DONE items, lack of very critical items to control CFIT hazards. This may also constitute a pilot "mental refuse attitude" for check list.
THIS IS WRONG AND DECREASE SAFETY
-PROCEDURE means a step by step detailed set of instrucions e.g Rotate handle counterclockwise, pull handle, pull door etc etc.
Procedures cannot be read neither during the operation as they interrupt the flow of actions nor after operation completed as it makes no sence. ( if door is opened the handle as been rotated)
-CHECK LIST is a list of critical items to complete/check or already completED/ chekED e.g. Door.....open (or... opeNED).
When the check list has been structured to be used as "DONE check list" it means that, at the moment of reading, most of the items have been completed already following a mental logical model called "flow pattern".
Between AFM Procedures and Check list should be pubblished a "Procedures Guide " to be used as a "training tool " for such flow patterns and task sharing between crew members
.
The check list should depict only "safety critical items" as used mainly as the "last barrier" (see Reason's cheese Model) to discover any slip or lapse.
Aviation Authority must pretend all Operators a customized and "smart" Check list
!
Ciao
Note : some other important procedures related to Avionic or optional installed are pubblished on separate AFM supplements, some other important requirements for operations are pubblished by Authority / Safety Organization
. Small Operators, for any eventual litigation as above (and with the acceptance of Local Autority) simply make a copy of the AFM / POM procedures and use it as a "check list", (also without any reference to such supplements for optional installed or operations requirements)
Result is high workload , confusion between DO and DONE items, lack of very critical items to control CFIT hazards. This may also constitute a pilot "mental refuse attitude" for check list.
THIS IS WRONG AND DECREASE SAFETY
-PROCEDURE means a step by step detailed set of instrucions e.g Rotate handle counterclockwise, pull handle, pull door etc etc.
Procedures cannot be read neither during the operation as they interrupt the flow of actions nor after operation completed as it makes no sence. ( if door is opened the handle as been rotated)
-CHECK LIST is a list of critical items to complete/check or already completED/ chekED e.g. Door.....open (or... opeNED).
When the check list has been structured to be used as "DONE check list" it means that, at the moment of reading, most of the items have been completed already following a mental logical model called "flow pattern".
Between AFM Procedures and Check list should be pubblished a "Procedures Guide " to be used as a "training tool " for such flow patterns and task sharing between crew members
.The check list should depict only "safety critical items" as used mainly as the "last barrier" (see Reason's cheese Model) to discover any slip or lapse.
Aviation Authority must pretend all Operators a customized and "smart" Check list
!Ciao
Last edited by gigi116; 15th Jul 2010 at 08:09.
