ulster flying club laying off 15 instructors
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The UFC committee, with the support of the members and staff, need to put the CFI and Chairman on a short, tight leash. They are both making decisions they are not authorised to make, to the detriment of the club.
Talking to instructors and staff over the last week has revealed a lot of disturbing events.
A new full-time AFI was appointed, with that only being later retracted when the other instructors protested. The result, probably, being only to delay the inevitable.
The cfi then lied about agreeing to this!
This instructor has zero experience, despite what you may read on the club forum, as ppl flying has nothing to do with instructing, and a few hundred hours spread over twenty years is less than most PPLs do anyway.
A newly qualified FI Restricted, with no add-on ratings, is the least qualified, least experienced, least deserving person this position could be awarded to.
There are many local instructors with much more experience who would have loved this job and were not even told it was available. One who months ago was told it would be his had to leave the country to get full time work as he could not afford to live on the number of days he was getting. The two main part time FIs there at the present only found out after his appointment. And there are many more at St. Angelo and Eglinton.
The new instructor was sneaked in, without the knowledge of the committee, the staff, the other instructors, or the members (who own the club!).
This instructor was brought in five days a week for two weeks, despite the fact the club was fully crewed on those days. His name was not in the diary and he was not asked to come in.
He then put in a pay claim for ten days, and despite him having done f##k all, it was paid. Money the club can not afford to be paying out.
In a decade with the club I have never known such ill feeling. If something is not done about DH and AH, there will be no club left as there will be no instructors willing to come in.
Talking to instructors and staff over the last week has revealed a lot of disturbing events.
A new full-time AFI was appointed, with that only being later retracted when the other instructors protested. The result, probably, being only to delay the inevitable.
The cfi then lied about agreeing to this!
This instructor has zero experience, despite what you may read on the club forum, as ppl flying has nothing to do with instructing, and a few hundred hours spread over twenty years is less than most PPLs do anyway.
A newly qualified FI Restricted, with no add-on ratings, is the least qualified, least experienced, least deserving person this position could be awarded to.
There are many local instructors with much more experience who would have loved this job and were not even told it was available. One who months ago was told it would be his had to leave the country to get full time work as he could not afford to live on the number of days he was getting. The two main part time FIs there at the present only found out after his appointment. And there are many more at St. Angelo and Eglinton.
The new instructor was sneaked in, without the knowledge of the committee, the staff, the other instructors, or the members (who own the club!).
This instructor was brought in five days a week for two weeks, despite the fact the club was fully crewed on those days. His name was not in the diary and he was not asked to come in.
He then put in a pay claim for ten days, and despite him having done f##k all, it was paid. Money the club can not afford to be paying out.
In a decade with the club I have never known such ill feeling. If something is not done about DH and AH, there will be no club left as there will be no instructors willing to come in.
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Excellent and very honest post ,UFCI. Couldn't agree more. Very well put.
Incidentally, I'm confused, U220, you posted a post earlier on that was very accurate and an interesting observation where the chairman of the Ulster flying club was responsible for cost cutting and closures at eglinton, derry airport.
The post seems to have been removed, can you enlighten us?
Incidentally, I'm confused, U220, you posted a post earlier on that was very accurate and an interesting observation where the chairman of the Ulster flying club was responsible for cost cutting and closures at eglinton, derry airport.
The post seems to have been removed, can you enlighten us?
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Have to agree with you UFCFI. As much as I am willing to give any new instructor a chance it seems clear that this guy has been brought in at the wrong time and in the wrong way. It also seems that his attitude isnt what I would expect of someone with his very limited instructing experience. If he thinks a couple of hundred hours with a PPL is going to hold any weight with a group of experienced instructors, many of whom have multiple thousands of hours instructing as well as flying jets, turboprops, multi engine piston then he better wise up.
I get the feeling that our new chairman has been hoodwinked into thinking that there are problems with our team of instructors and has taken his focus off more important issues at the club. As far as I am aware from the point of view of the only people that matter in this respect, the students and the members there has only ever been a problem with one instructor at the UFC and you only need to read DawnB's post to know wHo that is!!!
I get the feeling that our new chairman has been hoodwinked into thinking that there are problems with our team of instructors and has taken his focus off more important issues at the club. As far as I am aware from the point of view of the only people that matter in this respect, the students and the members there has only ever been a problem with one instructor at the UFC and you only need to read DawnB's post to know wHo that is!!!
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You know wHo needs to grow a pair
I was local to the flying club, and "relatively' enjoyed my time while flying there. I had a number of instructors, and the 2 or 3 regular instructors of mine would bend over backwards for each and everyone of their pupils. I find it offensive to hear that they and many other instructors are being treated the way they are.
Through word of mouth from the people it involves, , I believe the "back room" staff and management need to sort out what really matters. With these antics of theirs, they might end up running the club into the ground, and then shoot themselves in the foot with no club to work for.
I think it's a case of getting new management, new CFI and a new chairperson is what the club needs. How often have I driven 60 mins to the club to find that my regular instructor has been told not to come to work so they can put in another instructor (or in reality management have gone tipex happy, and removed “certain” instructors that some pupils have specifically booked a slot with) just to screw the instructor over, or the fact that I turn up for a ground school exam and no exam was left out, because you know wHo decided to take the day of early, and because he is incompetent and can't tell the difference between his head and rear.
As for sneaking in new staff to screw over instructors that have bent over backwards for you know wHo, I think he needs to grow a set and give the respect the other instructors deserve, and tell it to their face!
It is the premier flying club in the province, don't ruin that, the instructors are a big part of what make it what it is!
Through word of mouth from the people it involves, , I believe the "back room" staff and management need to sort out what really matters. With these antics of theirs, they might end up running the club into the ground, and then shoot themselves in the foot with no club to work for.
I think it's a case of getting new management, new CFI and a new chairperson is what the club needs. How often have I driven 60 mins to the club to find that my regular instructor has been told not to come to work so they can put in another instructor (or in reality management have gone tipex happy, and removed “certain” instructors that some pupils have specifically booked a slot with) just to screw the instructor over, or the fact that I turn up for a ground school exam and no exam was left out, because you know wHo decided to take the day of early, and because he is incompetent and can't tell the difference between his head and rear.
As for sneaking in new staff to screw over instructors that have bent over backwards for you know wHo, I think he needs to grow a set and give the respect the other instructors deserve, and tell it to their face!
It is the premier flying club in the province, don't ruin that, the instructors are a big part of what make it what it is!
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Surely enough has been said.
So why dont the club management (if there is one) just thank you know wHo for his time as whatever he was, and say FAREWELL old boy.
Wot about someone local being CFI and someone with a business head be chairman (opps sorry A....t)
God I am nearly 40 almost old enough to be a committee member but I am a little over qualified so will have to wait till I fail the old medical and have forgotten how to fly.
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So why dont the club management (if there is one) just thank you know wHo for his time as whatever he was, and say FAREWELL old boy.
Wot about someone local being CFI and someone with a business head be chairman (opps sorry A....t)
God I am nearly 40 almost old enough to be a committee member but I am a little over qualified so will have to wait till I fail the old medical and have forgotten how to fly.
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Clarification of the situation now on UFC forum
The Ulster Flying Club • View topic - Anyone know anything about this?
Ties up with what I was told yesterday, apparently.
The Ulster Flying Club • View topic - Anyone know anything about this?
Ties up with what I was told yesterday, apparently.
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think about what your saying
The time has come to knock it on the head it's all getting a bit out of hand i strongly dissagree with the statement that lufbrauni has left it states that management are tippex happy and screw instructors over so people can't fly with regular instructors my opinion is BULL**** have you ever been in a job wher you hear the sayin **** trickles down with approximatley 20 fi's at newtownards and 7 days a week it is impossible to get them all to work in the same week and only with four fricking aircraft,
the office staff do there damdest to accomidate students and instructors all year round these so called pilots come to learn to fly and don't realise what goes on behind the scenes to get them flying if your in a job and asked to do something and share work equally by your boss then you do it if you are't happy with what you have then i suggest that you learn to fly elsewhere all the instructors at ards have all done the same instructor rating and all read of the same hymn sheet
you say grow a pair i think that you need to grow up and stop being so silly and bringing office staff into a debate that involves flight instructors
i think this has gone on long enough and is being sorted out so now is the time to call it quits before it goes to far
the office staff do there damdest to accomidate students and instructors all year round these so called pilots come to learn to fly and don't realise what goes on behind the scenes to get them flying if your in a job and asked to do something and share work equally by your boss then you do it if you are't happy with what you have then i suggest that you learn to fly elsewhere all the instructors at ards have all done the same instructor rating and all read of the same hymn sheet
you say grow a pair i think that you need to grow up and stop being so silly and bringing office staff into a debate that involves flight instructors
i think this has gone on long enough and is being sorted out so now is the time to call it quits before it goes to far
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Bulls eye
Think I may have hit a nerve! Calm down, before you burst a blood vessel.
It's not my intentions to offend back room staff, I'm just saying how it was seen from my perspective. Even though I finished my PPL here in Scotland with less hinderances, at the end of the day Ards is where I got all my other hours and I'm grateful for that. But in hindsight, it could have been smoother.
I just didn't expect the **** to hit the fan in such a manner if ever at all.
It's not my intentions to offend back room staff, I'm just saying how it was seen from my perspective. Even though I finished my PPL here in Scotland with less hinderances, at the end of the day Ards is where I got all my other hours and I'm grateful for that. But in hindsight, it could have been smoother.
I just didn't expect the **** to hit the fan in such a manner if ever at all.
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the s..t is bound to hit the fan when you post stupid childish things about staff that are doing what they are told by the bosses, before you post i suggest for future reference that you find out exactly what is going on and not to go on hear say and rumours and not to involve the office staff in debates on a pilots web site,
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Pilots website
It's not just a website just for pilots if you haven't already noticed. Although it is so aptly named. It involves all aspects of aviation, cabin crew, deck crew, ground crew etc. But if you beg to differ with that, then why are you posting on this website, from what I gather your not a pilot either.
Best bet is to take it as ones opinion, take what you like of it, if not any at all.
Best bet is to take it as ones opinion, take what you like of it, if not any at all.
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On a quick ring around it would appear that many other ...... students over the last few years have had a similar experience to me so please do not be afraid to stand up for yourself.
Please put your compliants in writing to the board, if someone is not fit to hold a position of trust then the board should remove him. I just wonder about the very young students (14-17) who may not be strong enough to stand up against .....................
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Please put your compliants in writing to the board, if someone is not fit to hold a position of trust then the board should remove him. I just wonder about the very young students (14-17) who may not be strong enough to stand up against .....................
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be careful what you are saying
DAWNB you need to be very careful what you are saying on a public website, people will read between the lines and know exactly what you are saying.and it is classed as slander and definition of character.
If you have a problem or have something to complain about then you speak to management at the flying club
it boils back down to the comment made previously HAVE YOU GOT THE BALLS
If you have a problem or have something to complain about then you speak to management at the flying club
it boils back down to the comment made previously HAVE YOU GOT THE BALLS
