Cabair is downsizing
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What? £ 1,000 + £ 25 per hour (after the first 20 hours) down to £ 200 + £ 8 per hour.
You would need to be seriously shot away in the head to accept that 'deal'!
It could be a good way for those on internships to get out of the door early - breach of contract possibly.
As for redundancies, it is the position that is removed not the person - the person losing their job is the consequence of the position being cut - so I can't see how they can cut the positions then self-employ the same people to fill them!! Then again................
I wonder if senior management positions will be trimmed down or if they'll be taking pay cuts!!
You would need to be seriously shot away in the head to accept that 'deal'!
It could be a good way for those on internships to get out of the door early - breach of contract possibly.
As for redundancies, it is the position that is removed not the person - the person losing their job is the consequence of the position being cut - so I can't see how they can cut the positions then self-employ the same people to fill them!! Then again................
I wonder if senior management positions will be trimmed down or if they'll be taking pay cuts!!
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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Has anyone heard anything more concrete on this matter or are we just running a thousand miles with a small chinese whisper?
VFE.
VFE.
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I've been through three recessions in the course of my flying career, losing my job on each occasion. Stuff happens, and moaning about the management of your airline/flying school is totally counterproductive. They have to keep the business viable, if possible, and the yields are scarily low in the good times. Yes, it's devastating to lose your job, or not to be able to get the first step on the ladder when you've spent a lot of money on getting the qualifications, but life isn't fair. If you can't fly, find something to keep an income, there are jobs out there if you're not too fussy (I once went from being a wide-body captain to a foreign exchange cashier), and wait for the cycle to reverse, as it always does.
Good luck to all flying instructors in this difficult time.
Good luck to all flying instructors in this difficult time.
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From: Down at the sharp pointy end, where all the weather is made.
Stuff happens, and moaning about the management of your airline/flying school is totally counterproductive. They have to keep the business viable, if possible, and the yields are scarily low in the good times.
It is really difficult, though, if you're young and struggling to make a week's rent, let alone run a car so you can get to work!
TOO
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Now that Cabair are about to go pop in Cranfield I know a great flight school. May I recommend to you all CATS in Cranfield. Go see for yourself, Great place, great, atmosphere great FI, not fogetting the lovely Cessna 150 (MM) and (CK).
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Re. Redundancies and contracts, despite what we like to think there's always a way, particularly when a company know that an individual - or even a group - cannot afford to take them on in court.
In the latter days of BAe Dunsfold, the majority of the Design Liaison staff ( most of them had 30-40 years each in aircraft design ) were made redundant.
After a pause of about a month, freelance designers on short contracts were brought in - last week designing washing machines, this week Harrier bits.
Their huge advantage, to the company way of thinking, was that they could be hired & fired at will.
In the latter days of BAe Dunsfold, the majority of the Design Liaison staff ( most of them had 30-40 years each in aircraft design ) were made redundant.
After a pause of about a month, freelance designers on short contracts were brought in - last week designing washing machines, this week Harrier bits.
Their huge advantage, to the company way of thinking, was that they could be hired & fired at will.
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You couldn't do that now. You cannot make a role redundant and then rehire just a few weeks later for the same position. There are of course ways around it upto a point, but it is difficault and you would be taken to the cleaners very, very easily.
Short term contracts don't work either anymore. If you have been with a company for more than 12 months, then no matter what the contract status, you have the same protection from unfair dismissal as anyone else.
Short term contracts don't work either anymore. If you have been with a company for more than 12 months, then no matter what the contract status, you have the same protection from unfair dismissal as anyone else.
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From: London
I wonder if any Cabair FI's would like to contribute to the thread so that we could get an accurate view on how things really are, rather than continue this speculation?
In theory, if times are so bad at Cabair, they have plenty of time to.
In theory, if times are so bad at Cabair, they have plenty of time to.
