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Hello, can an FAA advanced ground instructor charge for teaching students even if they don’t have a commercial pilot license?
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Yes. As long as you're teaching aeronautical knowledge subjects, and not flight training. For example, you would not be authorized to teach flight maneuvers on the ground. And you can't sign off any sim time required for a rating or a proficiency check.
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Hola Jay -
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First, for the full FAA ground instructor certificate, you are looking at 3 written exams.
(1) Fundamentals of instruction - which by the way is same as the test for CFI Fundamentals.
Should you have passed that test, and later become CFI, no need to do that test again.
(2) Ground Instructor (Basic) which permits to teach PPL subjects.
(3) Ground Instructor (Instrument) which permits to teach IR subjects.
Having the (2) and (3) described here, you get "Advanced" privileges as well to teach CPL.
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Should you decide to only seek the Ground Instructor (Advanced), then you have 2 written tests.
When you hold passing grade (70%) on the 2 or 3 tests above, the FAA issues the certificate.
No oral exam to take. You could even teach FAA ATPL students.
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Being a good ground instructor is a specialty.
You can teach classrooms, or individual students on a one-to-one basis.
I have to tell you that CFIs are often weak at "teaching" aviation.
After all, nowadays, CFIs are often young (inexperienced) pilots theirselves who "build time".
They prefer to be "paid" for flight hours" than "briefing" (for free at times) on ground.
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I do not know the current "market" for employment as such.
You could help "wannabees" their first lessons about how an airplane is.
I did that from age 17... teaching aero-club members in classrooms.
Was basic PPL air law, or navigation, or meteorology, Cessna 150, etc...
Was very little money they were paying me, but helped me for my ratings.
Forced me to study well myself, to answer their questions.
But was perfectly legal... and the flight instructors kept an eye on what I was teaching.
xxx
You could specialize yourself as a type rating classroom instructor.
Teach "systems" for Citation or Learjet airplanes, even airline equipment.
When I became an airline pilot, I soon became instructor, in classrooms then simulators.
To give you an idea, I often do airline instruction on contract base.
Of course, it is classroom, simulator and line training as I am a pilot.
I generally charge my "full" rate per hour for instruction/line training in airplane.
I charge "50% of that rate" in simulators or cockpit procedure trainers.
In the classroom, I do charge "25% of my full rate"...
And of course, a "minimum" per day...
And I teach subjects that are "my specialty"...
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A few pilots I know do contract training as such after retirement.
Some others teach classroom or simulator after having lost their medical.
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Best of luck to you.
Happy contrails
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First, for the full FAA ground instructor certificate, you are looking at 3 written exams.
(1) Fundamentals of instruction - which by the way is same as the test for CFI Fundamentals.
Should you have passed that test, and later become CFI, no need to do that test again.
(2) Ground Instructor (Basic) which permits to teach PPL subjects.
(3) Ground Instructor (Instrument) which permits to teach IR subjects.
Having the (2) and (3) described here, you get "Advanced" privileges as well to teach CPL.
xxx
Should you decide to only seek the Ground Instructor (Advanced), then you have 2 written tests.
When you hold passing grade (70%) on the 2 or 3 tests above, the FAA issues the certificate.
No oral exam to take. You could even teach FAA ATPL students.
xxx
Being a good ground instructor is a specialty.
You can teach classrooms, or individual students on a one-to-one basis.
I have to tell you that CFIs are often weak at "teaching" aviation.
After all, nowadays, CFIs are often young (inexperienced) pilots theirselves who "build time".
They prefer to be "paid" for flight hours" than "briefing" (for free at times) on ground.
xxx
I do not know the current "market" for employment as such.
You could help "wannabees" their first lessons about how an airplane is.
I did that from age 17... teaching aero-club members in classrooms.
Was basic PPL air law, or navigation, or meteorology, Cessna 150, etc...
Was very little money they were paying me, but helped me for my ratings.
Forced me to study well myself, to answer their questions.
But was perfectly legal... and the flight instructors kept an eye on what I was teaching.
xxx
You could specialize yourself as a type rating classroom instructor.
Teach "systems" for Citation or Learjet airplanes, even airline equipment.
When I became an airline pilot, I soon became instructor, in classrooms then simulators.
To give you an idea, I often do airline instruction on contract base.
Of course, it is classroom, simulator and line training as I am a pilot.
I generally charge my "full" rate per hour for instruction/line training in airplane.
I charge "50% of that rate" in simulators or cockpit procedure trainers.
In the classroom, I do charge "25% of my full rate"...
And of course, a "minimum" per day...
And I teach subjects that are "my specialty"...
xxx
A few pilots I know do contract training as such after retirement.
Some others teach classroom or simulator after having lost their medical.
xxx
Best of luck to you.
Happy contrails
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No Oral Exam?
Originally Posted by BelArgUSA
Should you decide to only seek the Ground Instructor (Advanced), then you have 2 written tests.
When you hold passing grade (70%) on the 2 or 3 tests above, the FAA issues the certificate.
No oral exam to take. You could even teach FAA ATPL students.
When you hold passing grade (70%) on the 2 or 3 tests above, the FAA issues the certificate.
No oral exam to take. You could even teach FAA ATPL students.
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No Oral Exam
Droste - I say again -
NO ORAL EXAM for BGI, AGI or IGI. Just written exams.
These exams are not necessarily easy, by the way.
And read again which exams you need.
Would suggest you do the following exams to have ALL ground instructor privileges -
You can teach PPL, CPL, IR and ATPL
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Basic Ground Instructor, and
3. Instrument Ground Instructor
Or, to have teaching privileges, but for PPL and CPL only -
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Advanced Ground Instructor
No expiration date on Ground Instructor Certificates.
Happy contrails
NO ORAL EXAM for BGI, AGI or IGI. Just written exams.
These exams are not necessarily easy, by the way.
And read again which exams you need.
Would suggest you do the following exams to have ALL ground instructor privileges -
You can teach PPL, CPL, IR and ATPL
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Basic Ground Instructor, and
3. Instrument Ground Instructor
Or, to have teaching privileges, but for PPL and CPL only -
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Advanced Ground Instructor
No expiration date on Ground Instructor Certificates.
Happy contrails
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Applicable regulations
To see the regulations which apply to Ground Instructors - see
FAR 61.211, 213, 215 and 217.
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Currency
In order to teach, you must have been instructing 3 months in the past 12 months.
Can be certified competent to teach by chief instructor of the school, then no need to be current.
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FAR 61.211, 213, 215 and 217.
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Currency
In order to teach, you must have been instructing 3 months in the past 12 months.
Can be certified competent to teach by chief instructor of the school, then no need to be current.
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No Oral Exams
BelArg is correct: no oral exams. But you do have to present your exam results and application to the FSDO for initial ground instructor issuance (no DPE's). It won't be formal, but expect a little friendly conversation.
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Query Over Ground Instructor
Originally Posted by BelArgUSA
NO ORAL EXAM for BGI, AGI or IGI. Just written exams.
These exams are not necessarily easy, by the way.
And read again which exams you need.
Would suggest you do the following exams to have ALL ground instructor privileges -
You can teach PPL, CPL, IR and ATPL
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Basic Ground Instructor, and
3. Instrument Ground Instructor
Or, to have teaching privileges, but for PPL and CPL only -
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Advanced Ground Instructor
No expiration date on Ground Instructor Certificates.
These exams are not necessarily easy, by the way.
And read again which exams you need.
Would suggest you do the following exams to have ALL ground instructor privileges -
You can teach PPL, CPL, IR and ATPL
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Basic Ground Instructor, and
3. Instrument Ground Instructor
Or, to have teaching privileges, but for PPL and CPL only -
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Advanced Ground Instructor
No expiration date on Ground Instructor Certificates.
1. Can the applicant hold AGI first before he holds BGI?
2. If the instructor hold FOI, AGI, IGI can he teach ATPL?
The reason I asked, was because, BelArgUSA wrote in such a way is difficult for me to understand. :-( Such that, FOI, BGI and IGI holder will be allowed to teach ATPL ground. What is the use of AGI?
Originally Posted by BelArgUSA
do the following exams to have ALL ground instructor privileges -
You can teach PPL, CPL, IR and ATPL
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Basic Ground Instructor, and
3. Instrument Ground Instructor
You can teach PPL, CPL, IR and ATPL
1. Fundamentals of Instruction
2. Basic Ground Instructor, and
3. Instrument Ground Instructor
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AGI Certificate
I have a question from somebody who wanted to be an AGI.
1. FOI result expired.
2. AGI result is just brand new out from the oven.
So, I wonder, is the applicant still able to receive his AGI certificate even FOI result expired?
1. FOI result expired.
2. AGI result is just brand new out from the oven.
So, I wonder, is the applicant still able to receive his AGI certificate even FOI result expired?
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Depends
Again, assuming FAA...
If the person already holds a basic Ground Instructor certificate, the Advanced and Instrument ratings can be added without retaking the FOI.
If by saying that they have a newly issued AGI, you mean they've got recently-passed exams for Ground Instructor, Advanced Ground Instructor, and Instrument Ground Instructor, and no certificate, then the person will have to retake the FOI before presenting themself at the FSDO for the certificate.
If the person already holds a basic Ground Instructor certificate, the Advanced and Instrument ratings can be added without retaking the FOI.
If by saying that they have a newly issued AGI, you mean they've got recently-passed exams for Ground Instructor, Advanced Ground Instructor, and Instrument Ground Instructor, and no certificate, then the person will have to retake the FOI before presenting themself at the FSDO for the certificate.
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BGI or AGI ?
I have to retake my FAA CPL written sometime soon as unfortunately it has expired. I have heard that the Ground Instructor material and test bank overlaps heavily with the CPL so I am thinking of doing them at the same time.
I have a JAA CPL and FI(R) and in the longer term think I might like to specialise in FAA/JAA conversions so I am trying to establish what dual ratings would be most useful.
As far as I can see there is no real point doing the Basic Instructor test as you can go straight for the AGI - which also seems not much more difficult.
Am I misssing something ?
I have a JAA CPL and FI(R) and in the longer term think I might like to specialise in FAA/JAA conversions so I am trying to establish what dual ratings would be most useful.
As far as I can see there is no real point doing the Basic Instructor test as you can go straight for the AGI - which also seems not much more difficult.
Am I misssing something ?
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Originally Posted by tbavprof
BelArg is correct: no oral exams. But you do have to present your exam results and application to the FSDO for initial ground instructor issuance (no DPE's). It won't be formal, but expect a little friendly conversation.
Q2) Does the applicant need to pay any fee?
Q3) Is the AGI certificate combines with CFI certitifcate? Meaning, if a CFI sit for AGI knowledge test, does the newly awarded AGI certitifcate combines with his CFI certificate?
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FAA AGI and CFI certs are separate. The CFI expires/must be renewed. The AGI doesn't expire. You can teach groundschool as a CFI (which means taking the FOI and CFI writtens). The only reason you'd get an AGI is for the gold seal, which requires it (you need to take the AGI written, but not the FOI if you have passed it before), or if you want to teach groundschool at Part 141 schools, some Commercial pilots take the AGI before they tackle CFI as it is easier, and they can get teaching some groundschool under their belts before taking the CFI ride.
As the AGI doesn't expire and has no record-keeping requirements, some CFIs use it to endorse students instead of signing off them with their CFI cert no, as it is 'believed' safer as a student error which is investigated could put your AGI in jeopardy rather than your CFI/Commercial Cert.
Hope this helps,
Alex.
As the AGI doesn't expire and has no record-keeping requirements, some CFIs use it to endorse students instead of signing off them with their CFI cert no, as it is 'believed' safer as a student error which is investigated could put your AGI in jeopardy rather than your CFI/Commercial Cert.
Hope this helps,
Alex.
