Steep turns - visual technique
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Perhaps JulieFlyGirl ---did not mind the little aerodynamics digression
Perhaps JulieFlyGirl ---did not mind the little aerodynamics digression
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PA, I'm genuinely interested but please write in a fashion where some of the less experienced/qualified/intelligent can understand.
PS. I've read about Integrated Flight training and it seems to reflect, to a degree, what happens in reality. However, doesn't the process place more emphasis on the instructor ensuring the correct balance of skills is achieved and maintained? How do you standardise such an approach?
PS. I've read about Integrated Flight training and it seems to reflect, to a degree, what happens in reality. However, doesn't the process place more emphasis on the instructor ensuring the correct balance of skills is achieved and maintained? How do you standardise such an approach?
Forgive me if I happen to get a little philosophical,..or Wax poetic,...or seem an ass,...
but the ground has been to mean to me and aviation is the ONE thing that I feel has been 100% fair to me
I mean---- as they say ...There's plenty of money in aviation,...All mine's there
PA hates the ground!---the stupid mupetry that occurs thereon,...propagated by stupid muppetty ground people---thereon and all the idiocy associated there with and therefore ---I remain three-phase-triple disconnected therefrom
...lest I flash over into an arc and overload
so for me aviation is an important an emotional field
I believe in a practical sense that a student should actually learn as much as they can,..and that aeronautical knowledge is NOT sacred and therefore encorage them to be the very best they can,...PPL..CFI ATP or a {Stuedant} whatever. One need not be an engineer, or a mathematician to understand the subject....I give stick and rudder as reading to all pilots as I've seen many folks fight against their plane that's because they are not air-broken completely but the air can be understood sufficiently with very simple explanations Langwiecsche's "stick and rudder" accomplishes this task very very well and I can't do a better job than Wolfgang...for me it was the suffering upon the ground that sent me to the air ---you see I was Already ground broken
it is actually impossible to develop to a 'one size fits all' curriculum'.., every individual has to come to their own understanding of the topic as intelligence is actually best define --at all levels---as, the ability to adapt to ones environment
Flight instructors,.. entrusted with the LIFE LONG SAFETY of their students and it is incumbent upon them to learn to adapt to the individual EVERYONE is different and learns differently and have different limitations,... so yes some times I am liberal with particular students
and if a student want to try something a little more advanced.,I let'em try..., most of them scare themselves. learn an important lesson,..seek more aeronautical knowledge,...and most importantly Learn that they have limitations and if practical overcome them,..Like when I first discovered just how
ing useless the rudder is in the Pitts in an inverted -accelerated spin,...and ONLY Beggs-Meuller technique offers any hope of recovery!!!
Airfolks,
Remember in kindergarten when all pilots have had Misses Tooey,...so at PpRuNe,...We have ALL have visited a forum at one time and just Talked lots of Hooey
PAPA ALPHA
[perhaps I shall return]
but the ground has been to mean to me and aviation is the ONE thing that I feel has been 100% fair to me
I mean---- as they say ...There's plenty of money in aviation,...All mine's there
PA hates the ground!---the stupid mupetry that occurs thereon,...propagated by stupid muppetty ground people---thereon and all the idiocy associated there with and therefore ---I remain three-phase-triple disconnected therefrom
...lest I flash over into an arc and overloadso for me aviation is an important an emotional field
I believe in a practical sense that a student should actually learn as much as they can,..and that aeronautical knowledge is NOT sacred and therefore encorage them to be the very best they can,...PPL..CFI ATP or a {Stuedant}
whatever. One need not be an engineer, or a mathematician to understand the subject....I give stick and rudder as reading to all pilots as I've seen many folks fight against their plane that's because they are not air-broken completely but the air can be understood sufficiently with very simple explanations Langwiecsche's "stick and rudder" accomplishes this task very very well and I can't do a better job than Wolfgang...for me it was the suffering upon the ground that sent me to the air ---you see I was Already ground brokenit is actually impossible to develop to a 'one size fits all' curriculum'.., every individual has to come to their own understanding of the topic as intelligence is actually best define --at all levels---as, the ability to adapt to ones environment
Flight instructors,.. entrusted with the LIFE LONG SAFETY of their students and it is incumbent upon them to learn to adapt to the individual EVERYONE is different and learns differently and have different limitations,... so yes some times I am liberal with particular students
and if a student want to try something a little more advanced.,I let'em try..., most of them scare themselves. learn an important lesson,..seek more aeronautical knowledge,...and most importantly Learn that they have limitations and if practical overcome them,..Like when I first discovered just how
ing useless the rudder is in the Pitts in an inverted -accelerated spin,...and ONLY Beggs-Meuller technique offers any hope of recovery!!!Airfolks,
Remember in kindergarten when all pilots have had Misses Tooey,...so at PpRuNe,...We have ALL have visited a forum at one time and just Talked lots of Hooey
PAPA ALPHA
[perhaps I shall return]
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So let's put aside all these nasty discussions and talk more about technicalities and tips related to topic which the thread has been posted for.
Ok as we all know that when losing altitude in steep turns then we have to reduce bank and if we gain altitude we have to increase bank. So when we reduce bank do we really ease the pressure a little bit on the ailerons and rudder on the side of turn or no we use the opposite aileron and rudder for decreasing bank? or if we only use the opposite aileron a little bit and no changes in rudder?
Ok as we all know that when losing altitude in steep turns then we have to reduce bank and if we gain altitude we have to increase bank. So when we reduce bank do we really ease the pressure a little bit on the ailerons and rudder on the side of turn or no we use the opposite aileron and rudder for decreasing bank? or if we only use the opposite aileron a little bit and no changes in rudder?
And as many experienced pilot's will advocate.
A pilot should learn to use/ and understand all available equipment on board from the magnetic compass to zero reader Flight director with a VOR CDI with the fixed card ADF on MW right BelArgUSA
all the way on through to the ASI, VSI, IVSI, DG,Altimeter, HSI, TC, T&B, CPPDLC, ACARS, TAWS, TCAS II [with ch.7] HTS, EGWPS, RAIM, GPS, HUD ADIRU, INS, LORAN C, ILS, LOC, WAAS, FANS, LPV, SV, APFDS, DUATS, MLS, LOC-BC , FLIR, XMWX, STORMSCOPE, STRIKEFINDER,..and Composite moisture stability charts
you all get the point
PA
A pilot should learn to use/ and understand all available equipment on board from the magnetic compass to zero reader Flight director with a VOR CDI with the fixed card ADF on MW right BelArgUSA
all the way on through to the ASI, VSI, IVSI, DG,Altimeter, HSI, TC, T&B, CPPDLC, ACARS, TAWS, TCAS II [with ch.7] HTS, EGWPS, RAIM, GPS, HUD ADIRU, INS, LORAN C, ILS, LOC, WAAS, FANS, LPV, SV, APFDS, DUATS, MLS, LOC-BC , FLIR, XMWX, STORMSCOPE, STRIKEFINDER,..and Composite moisture stability chartsyou all get the point
PA
AV enthusiast,... CAAPS,...clearing turns entry Alt, AirSpeed Premaneuver Checklist [see flight handbook] Straight and level roll in to about 30 deg aob, step on the ball, increase power to maintain lift--back pressure.,,, look at the VSI for help if needed and keep your nose on the horizon,..just as my stupid, dangerous, criminally negligent, incompetent, immoral, corrupt, greedy SOB of a CFI briefed me
oh don't forget TRIM,.. makes it hand off,..of course, roll out
.,, the stick maybe a bit heavy GRRRR,...one never forgets 2g's
Spiral Dive recovery:
Always first roll out level on ailerons then smoothly pull out of the dive,... recover laterally then longitudinally or you pull a tighter spiral,..for a little dive, more back pressure ---i.e FIX IT!!!
oh don't forget TRIM,.. makes it hand off,..of course, roll out
.,, the stick maybe a bit heavy GRRRR,...one never forgets 2g'sSpiral Dive recovery:
Always first roll out level on ailerons then smoothly pull out of the dive,... recover laterally then longitudinally or you pull a tighter spiral,..for a little dive, more back pressure ---i.e FIX IT!!!
Last edited by Pugilistic Animus; 10th Feb 2009 at 03:26.
I've been reading this thread with interest (and agree with BEagle and Homeguard for ab initio training) but some of the responses are getting a little too weird for my liking.
One can never know whether all on t'interweb is what it seems, and I'm starting to have doubts in this case. Confidence might be restored by a return to conventional English and the use of a few less icons (and by removing the suggestion to trim in a turn).
HFD
One can never know whether all on t'interweb is what it seems, and I'm starting to have doubts in this case. Confidence might be restored by a return to conventional English and the use of a few less icons (and by removing the suggestion to trim in a turn).
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I doubt whether many even know who BEagle is nor do I understand how having a longtime discovery and studied knowledge of flying goes to make one a know-it-all.
Confidence might be restored by a return to conventional English and the use of a few less icons (and by removing the suggestion to trim in a turn).
what's wrong with my ingles
OK next time I'll post in Spanish,...maybe more folks would get my point
now one last point!!
You gotta wash'em out in ground school
. to forge a pilot,..you gotta BREAK THEM UP!!! BREAK THEM UP!!!!if you don't like the style of my post... then,..place me on your ignore list...I don't care
because you have two choices,... Agree with me or be wrong
Lester
notice, I wrote 'up' not down
BEagle,
I also do an exercise where in order to build confidence
I ask the student "do you think that you could still do that turn if I covered all the flight instruments?..., check later with altimeter
No hard feelings, I'm sorry that those two US flight schools, left a bad impression with you,... but see we are not too bad here in the US
I can see you care and "Just like to see things done properly"
PA
I also do an exercise where in order to build confidence
I ask the student "do you think that you could still do that turn if I covered all the flight instruments?..., check later with altimeter
No hard feelings, I'm sorry that those two US flight schools, left a bad impression with you
,... but see we are not too bad here in the USI can see you care and "Just like to see things done properly"
PA
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NTSB terrible!
Look I am not debating over ice on the wing or problems with the rubber boot, but what I hate is when they get on television and explain how lift is generated all wrong and mishandle discussion of stalls. Air flow over and under the wings are important, but this guy got on MSNBC and said that in aviation only the air flow over the wing is what matters and not below at all. Terrible error. I can understand having to simplify matters, but the media and apparently the NTSB does not handle aviation news well at all.
