"Unfreezing" to ATPL

[Droste]

I have a question about 'unfreezing' to ATPL.

A F.I.,holding CPL (MEIR), with more than 1500hours logged in FTO, can the licence be unfreezed into ATPL without airline experience (meaning flying turbine jets)?

[MIKECR]

No, you need 500 hours Multi Crew. You also need to do an ATPL skill's test in a suitable Multi crew aircraft

[Droste]

Ooo...

FAA doesn't have that requirement to get ATPL.

Seemed like getting a FAA ATPL, then come back for JAR-FCL conversion will be much easy.

[BEagle]

It won't!











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[Mickey Kaye]

Did you have to get 500 multi crew time with the old CAA ATPL? I can't remember

[foxmoth]

Certainly not when I did it - but that is going back a few years!

[Whopity]

can the licence be unfreezed into ATPL

There is nothing to unfreeze; you have a CPL if you want an ATPL you have to meet the requirements and apply for an ATPL. There is no such thing as a frozen ATPL!

[Whopity]

Like all vacuum cleaners are called Hoovers and all ball pens are called Biros!

[Droste]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Strictly correct but it is a commonly used term to describe a CPL/IR with ATPL theoretical knowledge credit.

Thank you for explaining to him.

Seemed like Whopity is unfamiliar with the term used.

[Droste]

Originally Posted by MIKECR

No, you need 500 hours Multi Crew. You also need to do an ATPL skill's test in a suitable Multi crew aircraft

Originally Posted by Droste

Ooo...FAA doesn't have that requirement to get ATPL.
Seemed like getting a FAA ATPL, then come back for JAR-FCL conversion will be much easy.

Originally Posted by BEagle

It won't

Em...FAA ATP doesn't require any multi-crew aircraft time. Getting FAA ATP and return for flight conversion looks fairly straight forward. Agree?

Has anybody done FAA ATP conversion to UK-JAR FCL ATPL?

[Whopity]

I am very familiar with the term which is and always has been a myth!

[BEagle]

Getting FAA ATP and return for flight conversion looks fairly straight forward. Agree?

Nope - certainly not.

[3 Point]

Why the rush?

As Beagle says, converting an FAA ATP to a JAR-FCL ATPL is not a simple process (unless the holder has many thousands of hours which is not the case here).

Anyway, what's the rush? With the CPL/IR and ATP theory credits you can get a job flying anything you like and all the airlines are quite accustomed to employing First Officers with a CPL. You only need the ATPL when you want to be a Captain and, by that time you will have the required 500 Multi Crew hours to upgrade your licence.

Someone is bound to quote a superstar who was ready for command before having 500 hours and I have known a couple in this category. for them it's bad luck but they are in a tiny minority.

The rules say you can get an ATPL when you have sufficient relevant experience; ie 500 hours in a multi crew airline type aeroplane.

Happy landings

3 Point

[Droste]

Thanks 3 point!

Is there an expiry date for ATPL theory result? I am very worry that I can't unfreeze into ATPL when ATPL theory result expire.

[RTN11]

Once you have your CPL/IR with ATPL theory (commonly referred to as fATPL) I do not think there are then any time restrictions on obtaining the 500 multi crew hours, 250 hours PIC, and 100 hours night time required to apply for an ATPL.

Check LASORS for more info.

I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong.

[3 Point]

Look in LASORS, Section G1.3; it's all there!

Particularly ... "The holder of a valid JAR-FCL CPL(A)I/R with ATPL theory credits will be credited the ATPL theoretical knowledge requirements for a period of 7 years from the last validity date of the IR(A) entered in the CPL"

So, if you are flying and keepung your IR valid the exams will last forever. If you let the IR expire and do not renew it for 7 years then back to groundschool you go!

Happy landings

3 Point