Lapsed SEP going solo
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From: South West UK
Lady in Red
OK, I'm reaching for an up to date ANO as we speak but; I bet it still says that a licensed aerodrome is required for training for the grant of a license! This does not include difference or refresher training. It’s not my intention to pontificate but simply to be precise in my understanding of the rules.
DFC said earlier that “Guidance on Differences training required is clearly specified in LASORS”. I say that the guidance in LASORS is anything but “clearly specified”; It has a simple list of subject areas and no more. It is precisely this lack of detail which allows (quite rightly in my view) instructors to use their judgement and experience in deciding what training is needed in each individual case. This may be solo, dual or ground training; more or less of each as the circumstances dictate.
Have you any comments on the substance of this discussion?
3 Point
OK, I'm reaching for an up to date ANO as we speak but; I bet it still says that a licensed aerodrome is required for training for the grant of a license! This does not include difference or refresher training. It’s not my intention to pontificate but simply to be precise in my understanding of the rules.
DFC said earlier that “Guidance on Differences training required is clearly specified in LASORS”. I say that the guidance in LASORS is anything but “clearly specified”; It has a simple list of subject areas and no more. It is precisely this lack of detail which allows (quite rightly in my view) instructors to use their judgement and experience in deciding what training is needed in each individual case. This may be solo, dual or ground training; more or less of each as the circumstances dictate.
Have you any comments on the substance of this discussion?
3 Point
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From: Sussex
IT may be of interest to those reading this thread that the whole question of training from unlicensed aerodromes is being reviewed by a CAA committee and there will be a letter of consultation coming out shortly before the necessary changes to the ANO are made. The LAASG committee discussions have all been available on the CAA website so you can read where the whole process has got to.
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From: Strathaven Airfield
Hey you guys, why not fly a microlight!
There is no requirement for any dual traning in the microlight syllabus - so you can fly solo from your first lesson.
You can even do it in a taildragger.
Or in a twin!
It all goes back to the early 1980s when there were very few two seat microlights. So the requirement is for at least 10 hours solo flight - but no requirement for any dual! In fact, the instructors used to teach from the boot of a Morris Marina with a loudhailer!!
The twin is a Lazair - and since it is a single seater (and the only microlight twin) you can only learn solo on it.
Of course, in practise, very few learn completely solo. But one example might be someone who had flown a lot in the USA on a FAR103 compliant ultralight and now wanted to fly over here. They might not need much training, but would need the full minimum hours because the US has no ultralight licence.
In that sense makes more sense than JAR land where a pal who had 700 plus hours in his light aircraft (on a NPPL SEP) then had to fly a couple of dozen hours with a 300hr instructor - with zero hours on type - to get his JAR SEP.
But those are the rules. Isn't it fun!
There is no requirement for any dual traning in the microlight syllabus - so you can fly solo from your first lesson.
You can even do it in a taildragger.
Or in a twin!
It all goes back to the early 1980s when there were very few two seat microlights. So the requirement is for at least 10 hours solo flight - but no requirement for any dual! In fact, the instructors used to teach from the boot of a Morris Marina with a loudhailer!!
The twin is a Lazair - and since it is a single seater (and the only microlight twin) you can only learn solo on it.
Of course, in practise, very few learn completely solo. But one example might be someone who had flown a lot in the USA on a FAR103 compliant ultralight and now wanted to fly over here. They might not need much training, but would need the full minimum hours because the US has no ultralight licence.
In that sense makes more sense than JAR land where a pal who had 700 plus hours in his light aircraft (on a NPPL SEP) then had to fly a couple of dozen hours with a 300hr instructor - with zero hours on type - to get his JAR SEP.
But those are the rules. Isn't it fun!
