FAA and JAA Instructor Ratings.
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FAA and JAA Instructor Ratings.
If I have FAA CFI CFII and 1000 hours dual given. If I convert these instructor ratings to a JAA FI would I receive a FI (Ristricted) or a full instructor rating?
Has anyone done this?
Has anyone done this?
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From: EGYD
Wrong forum - try flight instructors but the following applies.
Section H1.10 From LASORS applies.
In most cases a full course is required however there are exceptions .
There is a lot more the FI Course than the FAA CFI in terms of how to instruct etc as the PPL course if much more of a fundamentals through to PPL (Building block technique)
In short contact the UK CAA.
Section H1.10 From LASORS applies.
In most cases a full course is required however there are exceptions .
There is a lot more the FI Course than the FAA CFI in terms of how to instruct etc as the PPL course if much more of a fundamentals through to PPL (Building block technique)
In short contact the UK CAA.
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From: Hong Kong
I agree. Of course the FAA don't use the building-block technique. In fact, they don't even use real planes - you get your licence once you've saved enough coupons from cereal boxes....
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From: Essex
You'd get the restricted rating.
I was going to do the JAA FI rating, having instructed at a US school teaching mainly CAA PPL's, the CAA however kept moving the goal posts on being unrestricted straight away, I had the 25 solo sign off's 900 hours dual given, all signed by an examiner. They still weren't happy, and I'd have to start from scratch, so I thought B******s and didn't bother.
I was going to do the JAA FI rating, having instructed at a US school teaching mainly CAA PPL's, the CAA however kept moving the goal posts on being unrestricted straight away, I had the 25 solo sign off's 900 hours dual given, all signed by an examiner. They still weren't happy, and I'd have to start from scratch, so I thought B******s and didn't bother.
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From: Europe
You have to do the course. However, the ''course requirements'' are reduced. Normally you need 30hrs flight and 125hrs ground. When you are the holder of an ICAO FI license the flight time is reduced to 15hrs and the ground requirements are lowered to 30hrs.
So it will still cost you a lot but a lot less
So it will still cost you a lot but a lot less
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From: Beyond the blue yonder
Thanks for the info
Thanks Romeo Delta,
For the info of reduced syllabi if you are an ICAO FI. How do u recieve these credits? Do i have you write to the CAA? or contact the FIC conducting company?
Thanks for any responses.
For the info of reduced syllabi if you are an ICAO FI. How do u recieve these credits? Do i have you write to the CAA? or contact the FIC conducting company?
Thanks for any responses.
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From: Away
I did my conversion course in 2002. I couldnt get any reduced hours at the time. Looks like they changed it or maybe it depends on JAA member state.
have fun doing what you already have in your licence all over again.
Even if it is reduced.
have fun doing what you already have in your licence all over again.
Even if it is reduced.
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Davey147
I have done several ICAO conversion courses for FI's as a FIC instructor (and BTW I hold all the FAA Instructor ratings, as well as the South African CAA Instructors too).
Mostly it is not a quantum leap for most motivated FI's to convert.
Unfortunately they (the CAA) will only issue you with a restricted FI after you have done the 15 hour conversion course - this applies to well qualified personnel from the RAF, so no exceptions. However, we have been told that an employer (flight school) may write a letter after you have been doing some instruction at the establishment asking for your restriction to be lifted without having to do the 25 solo sign-offs.
PM me if you need more info
Porridge
I have done several ICAO conversion courses for FI's as a FIC instructor (and BTW I hold all the FAA Instructor ratings, as well as the South African CAA Instructors too).
Mostly it is not a quantum leap for most motivated FI's to convert.
Unfortunately they (the CAA) will only issue you with a restricted FI after you have done the 15 hour conversion course - this applies to well qualified personnel from the RAF, so no exceptions. However, we have been told that an employer (flight school) may write a letter after you have been doing some instruction at the establishment asking for your restriction to be lifted without having to do the 25 solo sign-offs.
PM me if you need more info
Porridge
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From: Mordor
rudestuff I agree. Of course the FAA don't use the building-block technique. In fact, they don't even use real planes - you get your licence once you've saved enough coupons from cereal boxes....
I will defend the states to the end as it is the best country in the world for GA and anyone who has flown there a lot will probably agree with me, no one can do it as good as the yanks.
Oh and if anyone thinks I am biased, I am a British pilot!
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Oh that was sarcasm..
It's a crying shame that the CAA is so stuck in their old ways.
If you have proof (logbook, training records or otherwise) you should be able to get an unrestricted FI after just a short conversion.
Alas..they rather have good people walk away
It's a crying shame that the CAA is so stuck in their old ways.
If you have proof (logbook, training records or otherwise) you should be able to get an unrestricted FI after just a short conversion.
Alas..they rather have good people walk away
