Hope you guys don't mind me posting here but I've got problems
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With respect I must be missing something here, what actually is the problem? you say you cant get the aircraft down but that analaysis suggests you are not understanding the mechanics of landing. All aircraft come down, your job as PIC is to control that descent.
A landing is just a low feet per minute descent with a final attitude change which arrests the descent and puts the aircraft in the landing attitude (usually), its not as complicated as some would have you believe on here. If you are car drivers and can drive through a gap caused by parked offside and nearside cars you also possess the judgement to find round out height. Eg the abilty to miss the nearside parked car when sitting on the offside of your car requires the same type of judgement to judge where the mainwheels are in relation to the runway during the flare.
The abilty to learn to fly comes from the inherent skills that we all possess all beit in different degrees. You can be taught the actions of landing by just watching an instructor, believe me--ive been to an industrial tribunal with an instructor who never ever gave any verbal instruction on landing or take off but everyone of his students could land an aircraft well but with no airmanship.
The fact that you are on this forum suggests that you are looking for alternative instruction not available from your instructor, but why not thats what you are paying the school/club for.
Unfortunately because an instructor is a nice guy or a sweetie dosnt make him a good landing instructor. If you havnt soloed by 10-15 hours ( and I cannot see any evidence of how many hours you have done so far) you want to be talking to the CFI and finding out exactly what the problem is because at around £100 per hour you need the best service and yes flying training is a service industry, that you can get. You may find that the CFI may change you to the most senior instructor or the instructor who gets the best landing results, it could even be the CFI. Some students make rapid progress with landings when they change instructor and a new instructor may give new advice--just look at the different advice on here some advice suits some students better than others!
In my experinece as an ex CFI sometimes its the instructor we needed to look at not just the student!
the first thing i would ask you is to explain yourself is what you are trying to achieve with the landing(you would be suprised at how many students dont actually know what they are trying to achievh with a landing)
and then the sequence of events and inputs you make from say 300 feet to the ground and why you are making those inputs.
what visual cues you are using and why
By giving these answers we can see what the problem is
I noticed two comments already in previous posts
Frightened of heights--so am i and i have 15,000 hours in a/c from jet airliners to single seaters!
Took along time to solo--so did i
some of my landings are occasionaly **** too
THE RUNWAY SUDDENLY GETS BIGGER woops cap loks on again!
Its called the BLOOM, use it as a cue to round out (or arrest descent and change attitude if you like.)
PS sorry to hear about your father
PPS In my experience women took longer to solo but make better pilots
hope this helps
next time i will tell you how i remedied students with landing problems
A landing is just a low feet per minute descent with a final attitude change which arrests the descent and puts the aircraft in the landing attitude (usually), its not as complicated as some would have you believe on here. If you are car drivers and can drive through a gap caused by parked offside and nearside cars you also possess the judgement to find round out height. Eg the abilty to miss the nearside parked car when sitting on the offside of your car requires the same type of judgement to judge where the mainwheels are in relation to the runway during the flare.
The abilty to learn to fly comes from the inherent skills that we all possess all beit in different degrees. You can be taught the actions of landing by just watching an instructor, believe me--ive been to an industrial tribunal with an instructor who never ever gave any verbal instruction on landing or take off but everyone of his students could land an aircraft well but with no airmanship.
The fact that you are on this forum suggests that you are looking for alternative instruction not available from your instructor, but why not thats what you are paying the school/club for.
Unfortunately because an instructor is a nice guy or a sweetie dosnt make him a good landing instructor. If you havnt soloed by 10-15 hours ( and I cannot see any evidence of how many hours you have done so far) you want to be talking to the CFI and finding out exactly what the problem is because at around £100 per hour you need the best service and yes flying training is a service industry, that you can get. You may find that the CFI may change you to the most senior instructor or the instructor who gets the best landing results, it could even be the CFI. Some students make rapid progress with landings when they change instructor and a new instructor may give new advice--just look at the different advice on here some advice suits some students better than others!
In my experinece as an ex CFI sometimes its the instructor we needed to look at not just the student!
the first thing i would ask you is to explain yourself is what you are trying to achieve with the landing(you would be suprised at how many students dont actually know what they are trying to achievh with a landing)
and then the sequence of events and inputs you make from say 300 feet to the ground and why you are making those inputs.
what visual cues you are using and why
By giving these answers we can see what the problem is
I noticed two comments already in previous posts
Frightened of heights--so am i and i have 15,000 hours in a/c from jet airliners to single seaters!
Took along time to solo--so did i
some of my landings are occasionaly **** too
THE RUNWAY SUDDENLY GETS BIGGER woops cap loks on again!
Its called the BLOOM, use it as a cue to round out (or arrest descent and change attitude if you like.)
PS sorry to hear about your father
PPS In my experience women took longer to solo but make better pilots
hope this helps
next time i will tell you how i remedied students with landing problems
