Good Acronyms?
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Can't be many left !
But here goes......P A T = Power Attitude Trim - the going up bit
A P T = Attitude Power Trim - stopping the going up bit
Going down (!?) and levelling off is also PAT then APT....isn't it ??
Ferret...surely you must be an acronym yourself !!!
Any ideas?
FS
But here goes......P A T = Power Attitude Trim - the going up bit
A P T = Attitude Power Trim - stopping the going up bit
Going down (!?) and levelling off is also PAT then APT....isn't it ??
Ferret...surely you must be an acronym yourself !!!
Any ideas?
FS
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No - it's always PAT except levelling off from a climb. Levelling from a glide descent use the last bit of descent to increase speed.
How about HAT. Pre-HAT checks and post-HATT checks for turns
Before the turn (once turning point identified):
Heading - look up new heading
Altitude - look up altitude for next leg
Time - reset stopwatch
After turn:
Heading - read heading on DI, check with plan
Altitude - check correct and suscale setting correct
Time - check stopwatch has started
Time - check time of next check feature or turning point
How about HAT. Pre-HAT checks and post-HATT checks for turns
Before the turn (once turning point identified):
Heading - look up new heading
Altitude - look up altitude for next leg
Time - reset stopwatch
After turn:
Heading - read heading on DI, check with plan
Altitude - check correct and suscale setting correct
Time - check stopwatch has started
Time - check time of next check feature or turning point
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Agree with pre- and post-HAATT checks.
But 'PAT' applies when changing power settings;
'SHT' (Select attitude, Hold, Trim) applies when changing attitude (i.e entering climb or levelling off) with a constant power setting;
'PAAT' (Progressively Adjust Attiude and Trim) applies when accelerating/decelerating in level flight;
'LAI' (L
k out, Attitude, Instruments) applies when maintaining anything.
So, from S&L at one level to S&L at another, it would go:
PAT - SHT - LAI - SHT - PAAT - PAT - LAI.............
With L kout in between everything else!
But 'PAT' applies when changing power settings;
'SHT' (Select attitude, Hold, Trim) applies when changing attitude (i.e entering climb or levelling off) with a constant power setting;
'PAAT' (Progressively Adjust Attiude and Trim) applies when accelerating/decelerating in level flight;
'LAI' (L
k out, Attitude, Instruments) applies when maintaining anything.So, from S&L at one level to S&L at another, it would go:
PAT - SHT - LAI - SHT - PAAT - PAT - LAI.............
With L
kout in between everything else!
Having had so much military instruction I do it myself in every briefing.
kout
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From: south of heaven
How about TITS
When tuning a flip-flop radio.
T = Tune
I = Identify (the dit's and da's part)
T = Test (some radio's have a test feature which will make the VOR neddle flip around and flag go erratic)
S= Set it (make sure you flip it over from the standby freq., always my personal favorite to watch someone do, identitfy for 20 minuntes the wrong freq)
Anyway, another old US one.
When tuning a flip-flop radio.
T = Tune
I = Identify (the dit's and da's part)
T = Test (some radio's have a test feature which will make the VOR neddle flip around and flag go erratic)
S= Set it (make sure you flip it over from the standby freq., always my personal favorite to watch someone do, identitfy for 20 minuntes the wrong freq)
Anyway, another old US one.
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From: Sunny Florida, USA
PAT or APT?
Mmn - some debate on when to use PAT and APT! I suppose it will depend on whether you are cruise climbing or not - but in a helicopter if have always thought it went this way:
To start a climb - APT - Attitude to use your IAS to start the climb, then Power then Trim.
To level off from a climb - APT - Attitude to convert your ROC to forward IAS, then Power - set for the cruise, then Trim.
To descend - PAT - reduce Power, adjust Attitude to descent speed then Trim.
To level off from a descent - PAT - increase Power to arrest ROD, adjust Attitude to desired speed and Trim.
As far as the acronym for FERRET, Monsieur Le Fake Sealion, it does not stand for anything yet but I am sure that you can think of something suitable?
The Ferret
To start a climb - APT - Attitude to use your IAS to start the climb, then Power then Trim.
To level off from a climb - APT - Attitude to convert your ROC to forward IAS, then Power - set for the cruise, then Trim.
To descend - PAT - reduce Power, adjust Attitude to descent speed then Trim.
To level off from a descent - PAT - increase Power to arrest ROD, adjust Attitude to desired speed and Trim.
As far as the acronym for FERRET, Monsieur Le Fake Sealion, it does not stand for anything yet but I am sure that you can think of something suitable?
The Ferret
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From: uk
Why don't we use APT to enter a climb.
I have always taught PAT, but it always felt wrong to thrash the guts out of the engine then enter a climb.
Especially as one Cessna i flew had it prop trimmed and would easily redline.
S stopwatch
T turn
A ATA/ETA
R report
I have always taught PAT, but it always felt wrong to thrash the guts out of the engine then enter a climb.
Especially as one Cessna i flew had it prop trimmed and would easily redline.
S stopwatch
T turn
A ATA/ETA
R report
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From: Sunny Florida, USA
ETLAs
I was wondering when we would see that one RVR800!
Who remembers PATCASATNE (or something like that?) for position reports - I am sure there are some more for an initial call to a ground station? Does PACER ring a bell with anybody?
The Ferret
Who remembers PATCASATNE (or something like that?) for position reports - I am sure there are some more for an initial call to a ground station? Does PACER ring a bell with anybody?
The Ferret
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From: East Africa
Hello guys,
Here is another one for Instrument-Flying.
It can give you a smelly cockpit though....
On reaching Final Approach Fix
F - Flaps
A - Altimeter-Setting Check
R - Radar Altimeter set for DH
T - Timing ?
grtz Herb
Here is another one for Instrument-Flying.
It can give you a smelly cockpit though....
On reaching Final Approach Fix
F - Flaps
A - Altimeter-Setting Check
R - Radar Altimeter set for DH
T - Timing ?
grtz Herb
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From: Slowly decaying (disgracefully)
After departure clearance:
Strobes
Pumps
Llights
Iinstruments
Transponder
Time
Ice check
Pitot
... ON
After taxying off the runway:
SPLIT TIP ... OFF
After take-off or missed approach:
Brakes
Undercarriage
Flaps
Power
Altimeters
Iinstruments
Nav aids
Landing light
Ice
Pump
HFD
Strobes
Pumps
Llights
Iinstruments
Transponder
Time
Ice check
Pitot
... ON
After taxying off the runway:
SPLIT TIP ... OFF
After take-off or missed approach:
Brakes
Undercarriage
Flaps
Power
Altimeters
Iinstruments
Nav aids
Landing light
Ice
Pump
HFD
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From: Newcastle upon Tyne
Just a poor Stude PPL here but here are the 'common' ones we use. Apologies if I've missed them elsewhere;
Pre Landing checks.
B = Brakes off
U = Undercarriage down
M = Mixture rich
F = Flaps / Fuel
I = Instruments / normal / greens
C = Carb heat
H = Harness / seat belts secure etc.
CADET = Compass to True add East. (001 - 189 degrees) used to show what to do when going from magnetic to true in the Nav exam. Obviously you then take away West. Going 190 - 360 you do the opposite.
Pre Landing checks.
B = Brakes off
U = Undercarriage down
M = Mixture rich
F = Flaps / Fuel
I = Instruments / normal / greens
C = Carb heat
H = Harness / seat belts secure etc.
CADET = Compass to True add East. (001 - 189 degrees) used to show what to do when going from magnetic to true in the Nav exam. Obviously you then take away West. Going 190 - 360 you do the opposite.
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From: Sunny Florida, USA
TITT and TOFC
Glad to see that PPLers are reading the Instructors and Examiners pages........very wise! I think you did miss CADET earlier however!
Just thought of 2 more - I used the first one today!
TITT to tune in and fly a VOR:
Tune
Identify
Twist
Turn
..........and one for remembering the triggers for a thunderstorm:
Think Of Fluffy Clouds!
Thermal
Orographic
Frontal
Convergence
Keep them coming!
The Ferret
Just thought of 2 more - I used the first one today!
TITT to tune in and fly a VOR:
Tune
Identify
Twist
Turn
..........and one for remembering the triggers for a thunderstorm:
Think Of Fluffy Clouds!
Thermal
Orographic
Frontal
Convergence
Keep them coming!
The Ferret
Last edited by The Ferret; 11th November 2005 at 10:09.