Finals
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: mids
Bloody hell fined for being pleasant.
I would have thought that if the controller is so unstressed, not over loaded that they have time to be pleasant. They should be given a bonus for being well ahead of the game.
As for the short finals thing. Its pretty much in common usage so it will take CAP413 at least 10 years to catch up. It must of taken them that time to bow to pressure to change the intial call to a unit. That was after pressure from the controllers, pilots, flying instructors for years. And I suspect after all that it was pprune and the regular bitching by everyone that the current situation wasn't working the way that it should, that changed things. Its still going to take years though to filter its way through the 12 hours every 2 years PPL's.
Short finals is pretty simple really, its less than 4 nm.
A pilot saying it means get your arse in gear and give me some sort of instruction before launching into the next conversation with another plane.
And a controller saying it means get your arse off my runway either up or off at an exit.
But hey nobody seems to be getting MOR'd for using it. Better just keep using it and let the CAP413 queens bitch that it shouldn't be used. The rest of us can just get along nicely working together to get the job done safely and with as little stress as possible.
tescoapp
I would have thought that if the controller is so unstressed, not over loaded that they have time to be pleasant. They should be given a bonus for being well ahead of the game.
As for the short finals thing. Its pretty much in common usage so it will take CAP413 at least 10 years to catch up. It must of taken them that time to bow to pressure to change the intial call to a unit. That was after pressure from the controllers, pilots, flying instructors for years. And I suspect after all that it was pprune and the regular bitching by everyone that the current situation wasn't working the way that it should, that changed things. Its still going to take years though to filter its way through the 12 hours every 2 years PPL's.
Short finals is pretty simple really, its less than 4 nm.
A pilot saying it means get your arse in gear and give me some sort of instruction before launching into the next conversation with another plane.
And a controller saying it means get your arse off my runway either up or off at an exit.
But hey nobody seems to be getting MOR'd for using it. Better just keep using it and let the CAP413 queens bitch that it shouldn't be used. The rest of us can just get along nicely working together to get the job done safely and with as little stress as possible.
tescoapp
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,092
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From: uk
Most of the time i think the term short final means i'm inside 1 mile at 300 odd feet. Otherwise if you say final the controller is looking too far up the app. and can't see you above the trees, through poor vis. etc.
The use of r/t is to increase safety of flying, if saying something non standard prevents an accident, so be it. So long as it is not misunderstood.
There will always be those that say the phrase short final doesn,t exist, but if you have been flying long enough at busy airfields, you will find it gets used several times a day.
The use of r/t is to increase safety of flying, if saying something non standard prevents an accident, so be it. So long as it is not misunderstood.
There will always be those that say the phrase short final doesn,t exist, but if you have been flying long enough at busy airfields, you will find it gets used several times a day.
