Request for Advice, Please
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Request for Advice, Please
A neighbour regards me as the fount of all knowedge on things aviation. I don't want to disillusion him (I rather like the hero worship!!) but don't know the answer to his problem: A lost logbook!
PPL 500 hrs approx
Last CoE signed about 6 months ago
QFI who signed in Sept 1997 kept a photocopy of last page, which he has now obtained.
QFI who signed for 1998 and 1999 did not.
Only about 15-20 hrs in those years (new baby) while on holidays in Florida. Apart from 2 hours, all flying was a private arrangement (ie cash) with a small SFH outfit which he cannot now trace.
I have suggested contacting the CAA but he has been told horror stories that he will have to start all over again etc etc which he cannot afford.
I know the ATPL procedure, but that's not much help to him.
Any advice would be appreciated - by both of us for different reasons!
PPL 500 hrs approx
Last CoE signed about 6 months ago
QFI who signed in Sept 1997 kept a photocopy of last page, which he has now obtained.
QFI who signed for 1998 and 1999 did not.
Only about 15-20 hrs in those years (new baby) while on holidays in Florida. Apart from 2 hours, all flying was a private arrangement (ie cash) with a small SFH outfit which he cannot now trace.
I have suggested contacting the CAA but he has been told horror stories that he will have to start all over again etc etc which he cannot afford.
I know the ATPL procedure, but that's not much help to him.
Any advice would be appreciated - by both of us for different reasons!
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All he has to do is to go to a solicitor and obtain an affidavit declaring the hours that he knows he has flown.
If he has any photo copies all well and good. Any Cof E obtained in the last year should be in his licence on a FCL150CJAR and not in his log book so that would give him a valid rating.
If he has any photo copies all well and good. Any Cof E obtained in the last year should be in his licence on a FCL150CJAR and not in his log book so that would give him a valid rating.
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I'll go with the above.
I had a briefacse stolen from my car - which contained both my licence and my log book.
I telephoned the Ministry of Aeroplanes at Gatwick and was faxed a copy of a standard set of questions. This was to be taken to any solicitor for typing up...and making into a "sworn affidavit" (cost me just £15 back hander to the solicitor - cash, no receipt (huh?).
The hours, as sworn, were automatically accepted by the Ministry..and I started a new log book. Had to pay a fee for re-issue of licence. End of story.
Very painless. Oh...and here comes the edit....remember - everyone - that the CAA have records of all ratings already issued to you...don't bother trying the "Oh, I've lost my log book - with my new instrument rating and 12,000 twin hours (command, of course)"
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LIVE in peace...or REST in it!
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I had a briefacse stolen from my car - which contained both my licence and my log book.
I telephoned the Ministry of Aeroplanes at Gatwick and was faxed a copy of a standard set of questions. This was to be taken to any solicitor for typing up...and making into a "sworn affidavit" (cost me just £15 back hander to the solicitor - cash, no receipt (huh?).
The hours, as sworn, were automatically accepted by the Ministry..and I started a new log book. Had to pay a fee for re-issue of licence. End of story.
Very painless. Oh...and here comes the edit....remember - everyone - that the CAA have records of all ratings already issued to you...don't bother trying the "Oh, I've lost my log book - with my new instrument rating and 12,000 twin hours (command, of course)"
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LIVE in peace...or REST in it!
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Thanks for your help. Seems as if the horror stories he'd been told were a bit over-stated. Ratings are not a problem - Nil)
One further point, if I'm not pushing your patience: When exactly did the "old" 13 month signature go and the new licence certificate system start?
One further point, if I'm not pushing your patience: When exactly did the "old" 13 month signature go and the new licence certificate system start?
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Jan 1999!! However, the introduction of the new certificate was confused since the regulations changed before the correct (FCL150CJAR) paperwork was available to Examiners!! I'm still coming across - and correcting - paperwork incorrectly completed by others. Basically, the validity period was extended to 2 years for paperwork signed after Jan 99 and the old logbook stamp should have been replaced by the new certificate. However, the CAA seem happy for me to issue FCL150CJARs for licences based on another Examiner's incorrect paperwork in order to regularise people's paperwork, for the same validity period of course - not 2 years from the date upon which I signed them!!
However, if you no longer had a valid CofE or CofT after 1 Jan 00, then you'll need to fly a renewal Proficiency Check with a suitably qualified Flight Examiner as a Demonstration of Skill. I would be unhappy to accept experience quoted without any proof at all from someone I didn't know- as, I'm sure would others - so I'd probably want to fly a Proficiency Check with anyone who came to me in this unfortunate position, but I would then issue a 2-year FCL150CJAR to the pilot concerned.
I think??!!
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However, if you no longer had a valid CofE or CofT after 1 Jan 00, then you'll need to fly a renewal Proficiency Check with a suitably qualified Flight Examiner as a Demonstration of Skill. I would be unhappy to accept experience quoted without any proof at all from someone I didn't know- as, I'm sure would others - so I'd probably want to fly a Proficiency Check with anyone who came to me in this unfortunate position, but I would then issue a 2-year FCL150CJAR to the pilot concerned.
I think??!!
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