Stripes.........Gold or Silver?
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I think that respect is earned - not a given right just because someone wears gold braid. That is not to say that an instructor should not be dressed reasonably smartly. I dont understand why some people think that instructors are "the lowest form of life" and "not taken seriously". That is rubbish. Most instructors I have met have been very highly regarded.
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As somebody said earlier airline pilots wear stripes to be recognised by passengers and crew especially in an emergency situation. Hopefully in a C152 your student should not have a problem recognising you in a similar situation. Respect does not come from how many stripes you have, but it comes from consistently operating to a high standard. If you think that stripes are the only way you will get respect I am afraid you must be doing something wrong. Oh and by the way if there were no airline pilots you would not have any pilots to train in the first place.
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Risky.Flyer
You lose points for this,
<quote>if there were no airline pilots you would not have any pilots to train in the first place.</quote>
There are hundreds of thousands of pilots in the world, and hardly any of them fly for airlines. Since there are still hundreds of thousands of pilots who don't apparently know how to fly from birth, we must teach those who wish to learn, maybe for fun. The logic behind saying "every airline pilot must have been taught once" does not hold for the inverse "every instructor must teach airline pilots". Our club has about 150 pilots, none of whom fly for any airline. Are you saying these people don't exist?
Since you list your occupation as pilot, but are in the Instructors' corner, I thought you honestly didn't know this. No offence.
Safe flying
You lose points for this,
<quote>if there were no airline pilots you would not have any pilots to train in the first place.</quote>
There are hundreds of thousands of pilots in the world, and hardly any of them fly for airlines. Since there are still hundreds of thousands of pilots who don't apparently know how to fly from birth, we must teach those who wish to learn, maybe for fun. The logic behind saying "every airline pilot must have been taught once" does not hold for the inverse "every instructor must teach airline pilots". Our club has about 150 pilots, none of whom fly for any airline. Are you saying these people don't exist?
Since you list your occupation as pilot, but are in the Instructors' corner, I thought you honestly didn't know this. No offence.
Safe flying
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Chicken6,
No offence taken.
The original thread was about a new "commercial" instructor, which I took to be an instructor who trains "commercial" pilots. My mistake!
I have the utmost respect for competent instructors, but I respect them for their ability not for a bit of dressing on their shoulders. As I said before the only real reason for airline pilots to wear stripes is for crew/passenger recognition.
No offence taken.
The original thread was about a new "commercial" instructor, which I took to be an instructor who trains "commercial" pilots. My mistake!
I have the utmost respect for competent instructors, but I respect them for their ability not for a bit of dressing on their shoulders. As I said before the only real reason for airline pilots to wear stripes is for crew/passenger recognition.
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I would happily give my stripes away or change them for a payrise, say 1000 USD a stripe ( I would settle for a dollar after a little talking ).
Wearing stripes does not make you more or less professional than the bloke that does not have any.
Thing is that in some part's of the world rampers and ops people expect pilots to wear uniforms and if you don't well, you get treated differently ( mostly developing countries ).
Anyways I much rather fly in my shorts, sandals and dirty T-shirt wearing my Billabong hat Unfortunately I can do it only now and then as my company enforces a strict uniform code.
JJ
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Chicken6,
Interesting comment...<<There are certain expectations in society and one is that a pilot with a valid commercial license will have some sign of rank>>>...
I am a pilot, fly only for recreation, and have a commercial licence. Do I have any "rank"?
Just because someone learned to operate a flying machine does not give them any particular "rank" in society. Pilots- instructors, ATP, Commercial, or whatever- are no better or worse than taxi drivers, shopkeepers, or vets.
Wearing stripes as part of a uniform while engaged in your employment is one thing, but using them to impress "society" shows either a big ego or massive insecurity.
Just a comment.
Interesting comment...<<There are certain expectations in society and one is that a pilot with a valid commercial license will have some sign of rank>>>...
I am a pilot, fly only for recreation, and have a commercial licence. Do I have any "rank"?
Just because someone learned to operate a flying machine does not give them any particular "rank" in society. Pilots- instructors, ATP, Commercial, or whatever- are no better or worse than taxi drivers, shopkeepers, or vets.
Wearing stripes as part of a uniform while engaged in your employment is one thing, but using them to impress "society" shows either a big ego or massive insecurity.
Just a comment.
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it's not about rank at all in my opinion, or status in society...it's about having spent so much damn money, and worked so damn hard to get where you are, that you should have every reason, if not right, to be proud of what you do. i don't advocate wandering around town in your uniform on your day off! But I do think that being seen to be professional in attire is an important start to your training establishment being seen as a good place to learn. it's not even about each individual looking smart, it's about the whole 'team' looking like a team and also like they're actually qualified.
i don't have a huge problem with people who teach in casual gear, it doesn't have any bearing on their ability to teach and if you're a one-man show without a club or school that employs you then that's fine. as an instructor employed by an aero club i think it's important you all look smart, in the same way as the bank tellers all look smart.
just my opinion though
i don't have a huge problem with people who teach in casual gear, it doesn't have any bearing on their ability to teach and if you're a one-man show without a club or school that employs you then that's fine. as an instructor employed by an aero club i think it's important you all look smart, in the same way as the bank tellers all look smart.
just my opinion though
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I certainly took off my bars after putting the Boeing to bed for the night and I headed for home via the local supermarket. After all, you would look like a real ponce wearing all that braid while pushing a trolley around the aisles full of KiteKat and dog tucker.
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Yeah, you're right, miscommunication on my part. I meant that while you are working you should have some visible sign that you are the Pilot In Command, and that you have the legal rights associated thereof. On eof our old ex-pilots works in SE Asia, and on one of his last visits he mentioned that if he didn't keep borrowing stripes from someone, nobody would treat him like a pilot ie let him onto his own helicopter! That's what I was referring to.
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Yeah, you're right, miscommunication on my part. I meant that while you are working you should have some visible sign that you are the Pilot In Command, and that you have the legal rights associated thereof. On eof our old ex-pilots works in SE Asia, and on one of his last visits he mentioned that if he didn't keep borrowing stripes from someone, nobody would treat him like a pilot ie let him onto his own helicopter! That's what I was referring to.
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Nimbus
In answer to your question about how many pilots it takes to change a light bulb the answer is actually 21. 1 to change the bulb and the other 20 to tell you how they used to do it on Tridents (ask a BA pilot if you don't follow).
Back to the subject thread, like all things in life authority and competence come from within not with the packaging.
[This message has been edited by WeeWillyWinky (edited 14 May 2000).]
In answer to your question about how many pilots it takes to change a light bulb the answer is actually 21. 1 to change the bulb and the other 20 to tell you how they used to do it on Tridents (ask a BA pilot if you don't follow).
Back to the subject thread, like all things in life authority and competence come from within not with the packaging.
[This message has been edited by WeeWillyWinky (edited 14 May 2000).]
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I have a full uniform wings badges and 4 stripes (gold) i dont use it in the robinson 22 . I keep it nice for the nite clubs and it works a treat ... hey im ugly its my only hope and it works . its only for show and doesnt make you a better pilot but if you have a good looking female student then sew your stripes together and have a set of eight !
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Malcolm
Apologies for my spelling and grammar, do you have any comments about the points that I made? I believe they are factual.
I think I originally made the first post in early May, Ill look again in August to give you time to consider a reply
Apologies for my spelling and grammar, do you have any comments about the points that I made? I believe they are factual.
I think I originally made the first post in early May, Ill look again in August to give you time to consider a reply
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G-Spot
I don't need until August to reply. This forum is not one that I normally visit. I was referred to a particular thread by WWW after our accident in Mid May.
The thread on "stripes" is getting to be rather lengthy. Yes we do ask Instructors at Multiflight to wear uniform and yes we do distinguish between an FI(R) and an FI and the CFI and yes we do fly Cessna 152's and Robin 200's and Cessna 172's and a Beech 76. We also fly a Falcon 900 a couple of Citations a Dauphine a Sikorksy S76 a Twin Squirrel a Jetranger not too mention a Hughes 500 a single Squirrel and a Robinson R22. Rumour has it we may even put a B737 on the fleet shortly.
In short, we are a very very professional company that values ALL of its employees from the office cleaner who makes a very valuable contribution to our quality of life right up to dare I say it the Head of Training who has a little bit of influence on what goes on here. Uniforms are just a small part of the ethos that we wish to portray and that it is not about posing or trapping or pulling or flannel. It is simple and purely about a professional image. Why should somebody who teaches for his profession not be entitled to wear the same "badge of office" as someone who flys for say an air taxi company or an airline. Reticence about wearing a uniform says more about someones insecurity than it does about the company that asks for it to be worn.
Malcolm Dean
Head of Training
Multiflight
I don't need until August to reply. This forum is not one that I normally visit. I was referred to a particular thread by WWW after our accident in Mid May.
The thread on "stripes" is getting to be rather lengthy. Yes we do ask Instructors at Multiflight to wear uniform and yes we do distinguish between an FI(R) and an FI and the CFI and yes we do fly Cessna 152's and Robin 200's and Cessna 172's and a Beech 76. We also fly a Falcon 900 a couple of Citations a Dauphine a Sikorksy S76 a Twin Squirrel a Jetranger not too mention a Hughes 500 a single Squirrel and a Robinson R22. Rumour has it we may even put a B737 on the fleet shortly.
In short, we are a very very professional company that values ALL of its employees from the office cleaner who makes a very valuable contribution to our quality of life right up to dare I say it the Head of Training who has a little bit of influence on what goes on here. Uniforms are just a small part of the ethos that we wish to portray and that it is not about posing or trapping or pulling or flannel. It is simple and purely about a professional image. Why should somebody who teaches for his profession not be entitled to wear the same "badge of office" as someone who flys for say an air taxi company or an airline. Reticence about wearing a uniform says more about someones insecurity than it does about the company that asks for it to be worn.
Malcolm Dean
Head of Training
Multiflight