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This subject is one that is somewhat dear to me. Tragically I believe that we are now suffering a form of cancer in the industry which is the result of over twenty generations of junior flying instructors teaching junior flying instructors teaching junior flying instructors…..etc.… WITHOUT appropriate supervision. How many senior instructors or CFI's now fly with their line instructors? How many students get checked during their progress, as a check on the instructor? Not that many I would bet.
The general product with a new CPL is very poor. They seem to think that everyone owes them a job, but when you suggest the only way up is to go bush and fly a single for a year, they don't 'cause they believe they should be in a twin.
I have seen over the year's pilots join my company and they don't even have their basic flying skills refined. Airmanship seems to be a thing of the past. Radio procedures are yet another area where there is no standardization. The ability to make a constant powered approach to a nominated point on the runway is something that is foreign to many!
The trouble is that this cancer is now evident at training levels within some airlines because there is no effort by CASA to ensure that training pilots are given even the basic instructional skills of a grade 2 or 1 instructor - not even a PMI course. And as many of the pilots in the industry have never been an instructor they do not have even the books at home to revise from. Tragic..! Further, because they become C&T Capts they then think they are experts… sorry, but I know a few such people that would not make the grade at a country flying school as a grade III. And CASA does not have either the guts or ability to address the problem, mainly I suspect because many of the FOIs are a victim of the same cancer.
Further there is very little that can be done about it… And I don't think this problem is unique to Australia. My observations show the cancer exists all over… Just maybe the only way to fix it is at the very bottom ??
The general product with a new CPL is very poor. They seem to think that everyone owes them a job, but when you suggest the only way up is to go bush and fly a single for a year, they don't 'cause they believe they should be in a twin.
I have seen over the year's pilots join my company and they don't even have their basic flying skills refined. Airmanship seems to be a thing of the past. Radio procedures are yet another area where there is no standardization. The ability to make a constant powered approach to a nominated point on the runway is something that is foreign to many!
The trouble is that this cancer is now evident at training levels within some airlines because there is no effort by CASA to ensure that training pilots are given even the basic instructional skills of a grade 2 or 1 instructor - not even a PMI course. And as many of the pilots in the industry have never been an instructor they do not have even the books at home to revise from. Tragic..! Further, because they become C&T Capts they then think they are experts… sorry, but I know a few such people that would not make the grade at a country flying school as a grade III. And CASA does not have either the guts or ability to address the problem, mainly I suspect because many of the FOIs are a victim of the same cancer.
Further there is very little that can be done about it… And I don't think this problem is unique to Australia. My observations show the cancer exists all over… Just maybe the only way to fix it is at the very bottom ??
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triadic,
In the outfit I work for, all Check and/or Training Captains who haven't held Instructor Ratings MUST complete an approved PMI course. This requirement is written into our Ops Manual and is adhered to.
I am surprised, if as you say, CASA does not require a PMI pass for Training staff.
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ChickenTrainer
In the outfit I work for, all Check and/or Training Captains who haven't held Instructor Ratings MUST complete an approved PMI course. This requirement is written into our Ops Manual and is adhered to.
I am surprised, if as you say, CASA does not require a PMI pass for Training staff.
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ChickenTrainer
Hear! Hear!
No it's not required at our (fairly major) airline either - to my constant amazement. I should say at this point that I am an ex-instructor, but it is a mojor oversight at the airline, and CASA I feel.
No it's not required at our (fairly major) airline either - to my constant amazement. I should say at this point that I am an ex-instructor, but it is a mojor oversight at the airline, and CASA I feel.
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It is a requirement under the CAOs that an instructor must have done a standardisation check in the last twelve months with the CFI, and any student being trained solely by a Grade Three must also fly with a grade one or two at least every three months.
If this isn't being enforced then it is a CASA problem.
By the way most FOIs I know are ex military so have come through a completely different system to GA. Is that a good thing? What does it matter as long as they do their job well and fairly, which I reckon they do.
The appalling standards is very evident here when the tower closes and it becomes an MBZ. Many pilots are either totally unaware of correct procedures, or just don't care. We have had to stop student pilots with and without GFPT flying solo outside tower hours because it is unsafe... It's not just the pilots who turn against the circuit direction after take off, and who come screaming down to join the circuit (often on the wrong side) on base, or just cut in front of you on downwind; but the ones who line up in the face of opposite direction landing aircraft,forcing them to go around even though they have right of way, because it is too far to bother to taxi to the hold of the runway in use, and numerous other examples. If the FOIs would like to stay back for a couple of hours and watch the mess from 6pm onwards it would be good, then maybe something could be done. But at the moment it is anarchy!! And much of this is because of this "cancer".
Who taught these people that it's OK to display a total lack of airmanship and sfety awareness? These things can only be learned BY EXAMPLE.
It's the same callsigns, over and over again....
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If this isn't being enforced then it is a CASA problem.
By the way most FOIs I know are ex military so have come through a completely different system to GA. Is that a good thing? What does it matter as long as they do their job well and fairly, which I reckon they do.
The appalling standards is very evident here when the tower closes and it becomes an MBZ. Many pilots are either totally unaware of correct procedures, or just don't care. We have had to stop student pilots with and without GFPT flying solo outside tower hours because it is unsafe... It's not just the pilots who turn against the circuit direction after take off, and who come screaming down to join the circuit (often on the wrong side) on base, or just cut in front of you on downwind; but the ones who line up in the face of opposite direction landing aircraft,forcing them to go around even though they have right of way, because it is too far to bother to taxi to the hold of the runway in use, and numerous other examples. If the FOIs would like to stay back for a couple of hours and watch the mess from 6pm onwards it would be good, then maybe something could be done. But at the moment it is anarchy!! And much of this is because of this "cancer".
Who taught these people that it's OK to display a total lack of airmanship and sfety awareness? These things can only be learned BY EXAMPLE.
It's the same callsigns, over and over again....
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There used to be the same problem in Britain, of Training Captains with no instructional experience. A couple of years ago, the CAA introduced a Type Rating Instructor qualification, which seems to have helped- it's one of the reasons why I plan to keep my instructor ticket valid, even if it takes me years to graduate to the left seat.
