Standard R/T... or not?
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Calm down Moggie!
I just made up the call to Newcastle approach as it is absolutely typical of what we say every day and it's a right mouthfull compared to 'XYZ left downwind 24'-'Grogbird' is not a callsign I know!
By the way our SOP's call for QNH to be set as soon as we are cleared to an altitude, but it is quite conceivable in the real world that the controller may require a call passing a flight level on the way.Does the VC10 only have one altimeter? What about Transition LEVEL? GIT's a bit harsh!
Also we are asked to include speed in our initial call more often than not.
Cheers
[ 11 December 2001: Message edited by: Flanker ]
I just made up the call to Newcastle approach as it is absolutely typical of what we say every day and it's a right mouthfull compared to 'XYZ left downwind 24'-'Grogbird' is not a callsign I know!
By the way our SOP's call for QNH to be set as soon as we are cleared to an altitude, but it is quite conceivable in the real world that the controller may require a call passing a flight level on the way.Does the VC10 only have one altimeter? What about Transition LEVEL? GIT's a bit harsh!
Also we are asked to include speed in our initial call more often than not.
Cheers
[ 11 December 2001: Message edited by: Flanker ]
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Flanker - It's OK I was/am calm!!!
Maybe I was harsh but the point was that the call was ok (including speed if asked to give it). Most big aeroplanes have at least 3 altimeters and I have yet to come across an SOP that does not require QNH set on all of them as soon as the controller asks. My point was that (unless asked to report FL) the Grogbird should have given altitude once he had QNH set.
If the controller asks for FL (which he should not do if he has told you to go to a QNH altitude) then you are into the realms of guess work or the more realistic re-set to 1013 on the standby.
Still, my point (as an ex-controller) is that the ATC chap needs most of that info from you and an initial call that gives it all saves the even more time consuming Q&A session.
Often the AERAD/Jeppesen doc will tell you what you have to say - e.g. Glasgow SID "On first contact with Scottish Control include callsign, SID designator, current and cleared altitude". Note "include" - but not "limit to even if there are some other things you really need to say".
I really do believe that standard R/T often needs a little extra if it is to TRULY convey the meaning of your message.
I am calm, am not having a go at anyone and hope no offence gets taken anywhere.
I guessed that Grogbird was made up, by the way!
Maybe I was harsh but the point was that the call was ok (including speed if asked to give it). Most big aeroplanes have at least 3 altimeters and I have yet to come across an SOP that does not require QNH set on all of them as soon as the controller asks. My point was that (unless asked to report FL) the Grogbird should have given altitude once he had QNH set.
If the controller asks for FL (which he should not do if he has told you to go to a QNH altitude) then you are into the realms of guess work or the more realistic re-set to 1013 on the standby.
Still, my point (as an ex-controller) is that the ATC chap needs most of that info from you and an initial call that gives it all saves the even more time consuming Q&A session.
Often the AERAD/Jeppesen doc will tell you what you have to say - e.g. Glasgow SID "On first contact with Scottish Control include callsign, SID designator, current and cleared altitude". Note "include" - but not "limit to even if there are some other things you really need to say".
I really do believe that standard R/T often needs a little extra if it is to TRULY convey the meaning of your message.
I am calm, am not having a go at anyone and hope no offence gets taken anywhere.
I guessed that Grogbird was made up, by the way!
