N-reg plates and instructor jobs back home
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Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone knew roughly how many N-registered planes were being used in the UK (ie how many schools used them).
am a 26yr old Brit out in the USA with my CFI/CFMEI/CFII ratings and would love a bit of that rain again
not wanting to p*ss anyone off finding it hard to find JAA Instructor work, I can really only teach on the N-plates
Would appreciate any feedback on this one. am beginning to crave Blackadder and Monty Python..
ta
Mike
I was wondering if anyone knew roughly how many N-registered planes were being used in the UK (ie how many schools used them).
am a 26yr old Brit out in the USA with my CFI/CFMEI/CFII ratings and would love a bit of that rain again
not wanting to p*ss anyone off finding it hard to find JAA Instructor work, I can really only teach on the N-plates
Would appreciate any feedback on this one. am beginning to crave Blackadder and Monty Python..
ta
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Whilst there are many N-reg aircraft in the UK it doesn’t necessarily mean that you can instruct on them without impunity.
For some it is a grey area and while I know that there are a number of individuals conducting training without a JAA/CAA licenses, I suspect it is only a matter of time before the ‘enforcement’ agencies get heavy on the situation. If one is conducting the training for free then the situation is probably fine, but to get paid for aerial work of any kind in UK/EU airspace I would suggest that the local authorities would expect you to have at least a National or JAA commercial license.
I bought this up in a post some time back when I discovered that there were a number of people involved with this type of work here and I think the consensus was that a JAA/National CPL should be the minimum requirement.
There are, of course, many of us who are dual qualified in all respects so the situation of legality does not arise.
For those of us in the Instructor fraternity where work is always thin on the ground any work we can pick up, such as FAA work that does not have to have some 3rd party taking the lions share of the tuition fees is always a bonus and thus to be quite honest with you most of us have no qualms about making the local authorities aware of individuals conducting this work without local licenses.
Of course you still have to find the work and thus advertising is usually the first give-away. My suggestion is that you go down the same route we all have and take the JAA exams and pass the flight tests, then what you do is totally legal after that.
I am sure you would be aware what stance the FAA would take if the situation was reversed!
Good luck
ES
For some it is a grey area and while I know that there are a number of individuals conducting training without a JAA/CAA licenses, I suspect it is only a matter of time before the ‘enforcement’ agencies get heavy on the situation. If one is conducting the training for free then the situation is probably fine, but to get paid for aerial work of any kind in UK/EU airspace I would suggest that the local authorities would expect you to have at least a National or JAA commercial license.
I bought this up in a post some time back when I discovered that there were a number of people involved with this type of work here and I think the consensus was that a JAA/National CPL should be the minimum requirement.
There are, of course, many of us who are dual qualified in all respects so the situation of legality does not arise.
For those of us in the Instructor fraternity where work is always thin on the ground any work we can pick up, such as FAA work that does not have to have some 3rd party taking the lions share of the tuition fees is always a bonus and thus to be quite honest with you most of us have no qualms about making the local authorities aware of individuals conducting this work without local licenses.
Of course you still have to find the work and thus advertising is usually the first give-away. My suggestion is that you go down the same route we all have and take the JAA exams and pass the flight tests, then what you do is totally legal after that.
I am sure you would be aware what stance the FAA would take if the situation was reversed!
Good luck
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Hi there El Sid
I can think of a certain UK FTO that was allowing their instructors to operate in the US on just a PPL licence conversion from their CAA/JAA licence.
They did this as they said that there insructors were only teaching JAA.
I am sure that you know who I am talking about.
They were also flouting immigration laws with regard to right to work.
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I can think of a certain UK FTO that was allowing their instructors to operate in the US on just a PPL licence conversion from their CAA/JAA licence.
They did this as they said that there insructors were only teaching JAA.
I am sure that you know who I am talking about.
They were also flouting immigration laws with regard to right to work.
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FAA & N Reg aircraft.
You cannot instruct for the issue of a licence or rating within any JAA country unless you hold a JAA Instructor Rating or relevant national licence.
The USA have by mutual agreement agreed with the JAA that a JAA/National Instructor may instruct on 'N' reg aircraft in the state(s) where their licence is valid.
An FAA Instructor Rating is not valid within the UK.
The USA have by mutual agreement agreed with the JAA that a JAA/National Instructor may instruct on 'N' reg aircraft in the state(s) where their licence is valid.
An FAA Instructor Rating is not valid within the UK.
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El Sid: Yep I like Porridge and ***s for breakfast sometimes.
As for the FAA allowing JAA instructors to teach here on N-reg aircraft whilst they hold no FAA licences except a paper conversion to an FAA PPL, I can tell you that I only know of one FSDO that has accepted this and it was never issued in writing.
The company that has been mentioned were arrogant to the n-th degree in a lot of things that they attempted to do. (One of my favourite ones was them going to the tower and telling, not asking, them that they should use JAA radiotelephony techniques to talk to their training aircraft)
They had instructors and chief flying instructors here on PPL conversions flying and instructing on N-reg aircraft as well as coming in and out of the US every 3 months on visa waivers.
At least the poster who asked (Patience) has had the courtesy to be professional and see where the land lies.
There seems to be a double standard being played out here.
Something along the lines of we are JAA so we can teach what we want where we want. You are a different system so even if you are flying your own aircraft Reg in our country you may not.
As far as I am concerned you should have the CPL and Instructor rating of the country and Reg that you are flying in. You should be legal to fly in that country both with immigration and with the regulatory aviation body. If you are not then you should not be instructing there.
I can see a need for this to be slightly bent for examiners as long as that is all they are doing.
Well rant over for me,
Got to go back to studying,
-273
El Sid: ankle is now getting better, but at first looked like the bone had come out of it sideways. 7 X-rays later they said that is hadn't, although that last time I did it I did chip and break it.
It looked like someone had put a golf ball under the skin on the side of my ankle. It now just looks like I have bad frost bite.
Is a good thing as I get to start GS next few weeks to go fly CRJ-900 or Dash8. As long as DOJ find that I am not a terrorist.
As for the FAA allowing JAA instructors to teach here on N-reg aircraft whilst they hold no FAA licences except a paper conversion to an FAA PPL, I can tell you that I only know of one FSDO that has accepted this and it was never issued in writing.
The company that has been mentioned were arrogant to the n-th degree in a lot of things that they attempted to do. (One of my favourite ones was them going to the tower and telling, not asking, them that they should use JAA radiotelephony techniques to talk to their training aircraft)
They had instructors and chief flying instructors here on PPL conversions flying and instructing on N-reg aircraft as well as coming in and out of the US every 3 months on visa waivers.
At least the poster who asked (Patience) has had the courtesy to be professional and see where the land lies.
There seems to be a double standard being played out here.
Something along the lines of we are JAA so we can teach what we want where we want. You are a different system so even if you are flying your own aircraft Reg in our country you may not.
As far as I am concerned you should have the CPL and Instructor rating of the country and Reg that you are flying in. You should be legal to fly in that country both with immigration and with the regulatory aviation body. If you are not then you should not be instructing there.
I can see a need for this to be slightly bent for examiners as long as that is all they are doing.
Well rant over for me,
Got to go back to studying,
-273
El Sid: ankle is now getting better, but at first looked like the bone had come out of it sideways. 7 X-rays later they said that is hadn't, although that last time I did it I did chip and break it.
It looked like someone had put a golf ball under the skin on the side of my ankle. It now just looks like I have bad frost bite.
Is a good thing as I get to start GS next few weeks to go fly CRJ-900 or Dash8. As long as DOJ find that I am not a terrorist.
