Renewal By Experience versus Flight Test
One of the flights with an instructor must have been for at least 1 hour and the instructor must have signed your logbook as 'satisfactory'.
An EXAMINER must sign your re-validation paperwork and licence, NOT just 'an instructor'.
An EXAMINER must sign your re-validation paperwork and licence, NOT just 'an instructor'.
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A flight test is a test for the issue/revalidation/renewal of a rating with an authorised JAA/National examiner. A dual flight with an instructor for the purposes of revalidation by experience is a dual (ie Pu/t) flight.
Nowhere in the JAR-FCL revalidation requirements does the word 'dual' appear - only (and incorrectly) in the CAA's 'advisory' AIC. Qualified pilots are merely carrying out routine training practice with an instructor. Log it however you like, but not as P1C.
"can only log PIC/US after a successful flight test."- nicely ambiguous; most people seem to think that it means "must log a succesful flight test as P1C/US", others think it means "may not log PIC/US after an unsuccesful flight test" or "may not log a succesful flight test as P1C". I take it to mean that if you wish you may log a succesful flight test as P1C/US because the word 'shall' does not appear......... For SEP Class Rating revalidation training practice, log whatever you want: P1S, Pu/t, P1CU/S - but not P1C!
"can only log PIC/US after a successful flight test."- nicely ambiguous; most people seem to think that it means "must log a succesful flight test as P1C/US", others think it means "may not log PIC/US after an unsuccesful flight test" or "may not log a succesful flight test as P1C". I take it to mean that if you wish you may log a succesful flight test as P1C/US because the word 'shall' does not appear......... For SEP Class Rating revalidation training practice, log whatever you want: P1S, Pu/t, P1CU/S - but not P1C!
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Slightly off topic but...
I had a bash at flying microlights during the second year of my 24 month SEP rating validity. As the CAA will now let you fly microlights using a SEP rating, can this count towards the revalidation of the said SEP rating?
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I had a bash at flying microlights during the second year of my 24 month SEP rating validity. As the CAA will now let you fly microlights using a SEP rating, can this count towards the revalidation of the said SEP rating?
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I think that you'll find that the 12 hours have to be SEP for the SEP Class Rating. JARs don't seem to recognise microlights as part of the JAR-FCL system, the CAA have added the right to fly them to your rating privileges. So I suspect that the answer will be that you still need to complete the SEP requirements on SEP ac, not microlights.
But I may well be wrong. Suggest you ask the CAA - don't worry, they don't bite!
But I may well be wrong. Suggest you ask the CAA - don't worry, they don't bite!
Yes, from LASORS 2004:
Under the ANO the designation ‘Single Engine Aeroplane’ (SEP) includes all microlight aeroplanes and SLMGs. Accordingly, the holder of a UK JAR-FCL licence with SEP rating may, subject to appropriate differences training, exercise the privileges of their licence on microlight aeroplanes and SLMGs in UK airspace only, without the necessity of obtaining a NPPL which would be the normal licence of issue for such aeroplanes. However, any experience gained in microlight aeroplanes or SLMGs cannot be counted towards the flying experience necessary to maintain the full SEP privileges of the JAR-FCL licence.
Thanks for the heads up Stan Evil!
Under the ANO the designation ‘Single Engine Aeroplane’ (SEP) includes all microlight aeroplanes and SLMGs. Accordingly, the holder of a UK JAR-FCL licence with SEP rating may, subject to appropriate differences training, exercise the privileges of their licence on microlight aeroplanes and SLMGs in UK airspace only, without the necessity of obtaining a NPPL which would be the normal licence of issue for such aeroplanes. However, any experience gained in microlight aeroplanes or SLMGs cannot be counted towards the flying experience necessary to maintain the full SEP privileges of the JAR-FCL licence.
Thanks for the heads up Stan Evil!
